chris dorsey is a documentary producer and joins us freight chris, i would imagine you are somewhere in colorado, it may be on the other side of it right now, but you have a lot to say on this, explain the difference tina conservationist and ed conservationist. what we are really seeing is tw different camps now, you've got these greens that are kinda behind the green new deal at 50 trillion in spending and tha and behind killing for keystone pipeline and on the other side you have the conservation group that are very pragmatic, they are very driven with success an trying to find solutions on grounds. that is a big differentiator. these are the foods that understand we need food, fiber, and energy for this country to thrive so they work with the industry they tend to work with agriculture defined new and better ways forward which is i think a big difference at this point they are looking at environmentalist and saying we don't want any part of that at all. they really become i think kind of an apparatus at this point o the democrat party. >> conservationist, most of us that our conse