joining me for more on this, cato institute director of tax policy studies, chris edwards and foxnews.m science and technology editor jeremy cap plan. jemy, it always makes great headlines to say, companies ar't paying enough in taxes andyet i feel how much is enough? don't we want to invest in companies that pay less money in taxes legally so they give us more money? >> that the really interesting thing about this th have done exactly nothing wrong but feels so incribly ridiculous. we're talking about tens of billionsf dollars, pu profit, they haven't paid anyone any tax on whatsoever. you have to think, maybe, maybe possibly shouldn't they be spending putting so of that back into the u.s., just a little bit of it. dennis: chris edwards, at cato, i that where we are, paying taxes is do-gooder patriotic duty and a company otherwise have to legally? >> apple comported itself extremely well at the hearings today. they did not give an inch of ound to the senators who are franklyn a wild goose chase. apple is extremely good for e u.s. economy. 95% of i its r&d is here. st of its employees a

dennis: chris edwards, at cato, is that where we are, paying taxes is do-gooder patriotic duty and a company pay more than it should otherwise have to legally? >> apple comported itself extremely well at the hearings today. they did not give an inch of ground to the senators who are frankly on a wild goose chase. apple is extremely good for the u.s. economy. 95% of its r&d is here. most of its employees are here and pay as huge amount of taxes. it has done nothing wrong. it has done nothing illegal here apparently. it does what every u.s. multinational has to do these days. they have to do this complex tax planning because the 40% u.s. tax rate is highest in the world. so if anyone has anything to be embarrassed about it is not apple, those senators sitting behind the podium who kept our rates so absurdly high while every country around the world has cut. so good for apple for defending themselves. dennis: jeremy, don't we think those very senators grilling tim cook today hire their own accountants to pay as low a tax as they can? don't you go out of your way to pay as low as tax. >>

democratic strategist chris, worked on john edwards presidential campaigns and republican strategistl director for george w. bush. >> great to be with you. >> former secretary of defense talked about benghazi saying the president simply can't lead. >> you think of a manager, a leader. when something like that happens, you call people in. you sit them down, and you let them know that you intend to find ground truth fast. and he seems not to have done that. >> what do you make of secretary rumsfeld's take there? chris? >> i'm not sure i can say on tv what i really think. >> it's cable on a sunday afternoon. you can say whatever you want. >> yeah, well i mean, expletives aside, the reality here is donald rumsfeld is not one to be criticizing any administration on any matter especially questioning the integrity of this administration. i mean, when it comes to benghazi, everyone understands there was a report done. there were mistakes made. the add min installation been very clear mistakes were made and that things have to be done to make sure it never happens again. for donald rumsfeld,

edwards the only ford inside the top it ten. they had some problems here. >> chrisjoe gibbs racing successful. news on kyle busch and steve byrnes has the latest. steve? >> steve: we got confirmation from the crew chief on the 18 dave rogers that kyle busch had a cut right-rear tire. in fact, when they got it into the garage there was only 12-pounds of air pressure in the right-rear tire. >> chris: thanks, steve. lap leader for the entire season so far is matt kenseth. right behind him is kyle busch and joe gibbs racing celebrating a one-two finish. we'll have more from darlington, south carolina in just a moment. we are gathered here today to celebrate the union of tim and laura. it's amazing how appreciative people are when you tell them they could save a lot of money on their car insurance by switching to geico...they may even make you their best man. may i have the rings please? ah, helzberg diamonds. nice choice, mate. ...and now in the presence of these guests we join this loving couple. oh dear... geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance.

convention and the gun debate in america, let's go to the war room, democratic strategist, chris kofinis, worked on john edwardsns, joe watkins, former aide to president george h. w. bush. if it's saturday, it's chris and joe, always good to have you. >> good to be with you, craig. >> joe, nra executive vice president, wayne lapierre, firing up the crowd yesterday at the start of that convention. take a look, take a listen. >> but let me make this perfectly clear, we will never back away from our resolve to defend our rights and the rights of all law-abiding american gun owners. >> how do republicans feel about wayne lapierre as their messenger, joe watkins? >> i think wayne lapierre knows he is speaking to the faithful, to the members of the nra. they have got 4 1/2 to 5 million very faithful, very loyal, hard working american supporters and he is speaking to them right now. i think that any republican that is in favor of -- that spores the nra would tell you that we share the pain that every american shares with the terrible gun violence that has taken place in connect aicut an other parts of the country in r

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edward, louisville, kentucky. >> thank you very much for coming out. remember, you can get your weather anytime, 24 hours a day, just go to weather.com. willie? >> all right, chrisks very much. >>> this morning on "immigration nation," the dream act. the proposed legislation could pave the way to citizenship for 65,000 children brought to the united states illegally. if passed, the bill would affect children who entered the u.s. before they were 16 years old, some who have always dreamed of serving this country. here's nbc's miguel almaguer. >> information. let's go. >> reporter: at chicago's phoenix military academy, honor, service, commitment are core values of the junior rotc program. abigail is a cadet leader, but her 3.8 gpa isn't the only reason she's a standout in her class. >> i'm not afraid to say because it's my reality. >> reporter: born in mexico, abigail grew up in chicago. her dream of attending west point, of serving the country and wearing a u.s. military uniform is out of reach because she's not a citizen. francisco peralta moved from mexico when he was 3. with a 4.7 gpa, he's at the top of his class. but because he, too, is undocumented, franci