we're talking about the gas tax and aging infrastructure, and chri chris edwards, do you support a raise in the gas tax something more proportional to something that we're paying for gasoline itself? >> i don't agree to a tax gas increase. i think state governments can raise their taxes any time they want, th so for example, the $2 billion project inside washington, d.c. to widen the beltway in virginia there is a lot of broad agreement. to think that the federal government should repeal or take back its tolls on the interstate highways. the interstate highways are owned by state governments and i believe the states should be allowed to solve their own transportation problem. part of that is putting in new electronic polling system in congested areas of the interstate to reduce congestion but raise money for state infrastructure budgets. that makes a lot of sense. >> public-private means eventually public private equity in those projects where private companies have taken a controlling interest in what had been perceived as pieces of public property like the chicago skyway. is the public

. >> chris edwards, i know you're not in love with either proposal, but which one is the easer one to swallow? >> i don't think president obama's corporate tax plan will go anywhere. the federal government than been known for bridging to nowhere. that's why i think it makes a lot more sense for state governments to tackle these problems. you're looking at gas tax revenues or electronic tolling or local, private partnerships, i think the solution is at the state-government level not the federal level. >> is there any analysis of one approach over the other? you heard about sending a price signal to oh people who use these facilities, is that a good idea? >> i think users should understand what they're consumer. at the same time there is a wider public interest. one of the reasons why i'm pleased to be part of this conversation, we concluded that we need a national conversation. we haven't--we're now doing this in a crisis mode because of the highway trust fund running out of money, but that we need national priorities and national strategy, and so i think in the events over the next fe

this is a clip of edward snowden during his recent ted talk, when he was asked by chris anderson about risks he took in exposing the nsa surveillance programs. >> most people would find situation you are in right now in russia pretty terrifying. happened or with the trinidad bradley manning , and therea manning was a story and bus feed singer people in the intelligence committee who want you dead. how are you coping with this, coping with the fear? >> it is no mystery that there -- iovernments out there have made clear again and again and again that i go to sleep every morning thinking about what i can do for the american people. i don't want to harm my government. i want to help my government. the fact that they are willing to completely ignore due process, willing to declare guilt without ever seeing a trial, these are things we need to work against as a society that, hey, this is not appropriate. >> let's be clear, that is edward snowden having a ted talk on a person because he is political asylum in russia right now, very concerned if he came to the united states, well, as you say

chris and lisa kaneb and bill and cile hicks. >> narrator: hong kong, may 2013. nsa contractor edward snowden was holed up deep inside the crowded kowloon district. he chose hong kong, he would say later, because he trusted the chinese would not betray him to u.s. authorities. before leaving his home in hawaii, he had downloaded a huge store of top secret files from the nsa's internal networks, and he had sent many of them through encrypted channels to a few journalists he trusted. two of them, glenn greenwald of the guardian and documentary filmmaker laura poitras, came to the mira hotel to meet him. greenwald and poitras wanted to be sure snowden's story was rock solid. and they needed to work fast. >> we knew that this was incredibly consequential and that it was super important that we get it right. um... but also, there was always this kind of uncertainty, one might even say danger, hovering over the room. because we didn't know what the nsa knew about what he was doing. we didn't know what the chinese and hong kong governments knew about him being there. so we thought it was ver

edwards from u.s. bank and tom lydon from global trends investment, chris ressler from needham growth fund and add am for good and liesman and santelli standing by. steve liesman, let's start with you. good news and bad news in today's jobs report, wasn't it? >> overall a good report for a couple of reasons. i think the 288 is a big number. revisions tell us maybe underlying job growth, considering that there was harsh winter weather in january and february, those upward revisions tell us maybe underlying job growth was a bit stronger than we had thought. and then you have the other data we've gotten for april which tells us you have a classic snapback so i think we're on our way to have better growth. a lot of head winds from last year have diminished. the participation rate is very difficult. it's flat. it's an issue, but i'm not sure it's a determinative issue for the economy. >> patty edwards, steve put it nicely, summed up what we saw in light of the other data. you have a nice metaphor for the economy right now and the kentucky derbiy. >> sure. so the kentucky derby is tomorrow, and i think the con

chris cillizza and kristen welker. much more ahead as we continue to bring the latest developments on what's heads for the va after secretary shinseki's resignation. the paper trail, edward snowden claiming he did try to blow the whistle to his bosses. could he stands trial on espionage charges. we'll talk to daniel elsburg right here only on ns nbc. that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call today to request a free decision guide. with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients... plus, there are no networks, and virtually no referrals needed. join the millions who have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp... and provided by unitedhealthcare insurance company, which has over 30 years of experience behind it. with all the good years ahead, look for the experience and commitme

chris, thanks for coming in. >> always a pleasure. >> i think that means it's going higher. >> yes. >>> coming up, edward snowden speaks out in an nbcews exclusive. >> with brian williams. it's interesting. >>> and a vocal advocate of ncaa reform, the big 12 dmigser joins us to talk about everything from increased power for the most prominent conferences to paying student athletes. first as we head to break, a quick check on the dollar. >> and a little more cold play. >>> we're hearing from edward snowden today in an nbc news exclusive, living in exile in russia. snowden talked to brian williams about what he did for the government, how he describes his job, traning and career right up until he put an end to it. here's a piece of that conversation. >> were you trained as a spy? it seems to me spies probably look a lot more like ed snowden and a lot less than james bond these days. >> it's no secret that the u.s. tends to get more and better intelligence out of computers nowadays than they do out of people. i was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word, in that i lived and worked undercover overseas, pretending

chris, thanks so much for that great interview. >>> let's look at your headlines at 37 minutes past the hour. edwardwden telling nbc news he was doing his patriotic duty leaking classified documents. he said being a patriot means knowing when to protect your country and your constitution. he's been living in russia on temporary asylum. >>> iranian hackers with behind an elaborate campaign using social networks to get information from military, government, and diplomatic officials here in the u.s. and abroad. a new report from a u.s. cyber security firm says the group posed as journalists and used fake websites. the firm says it's not clear if the hackers worked directly for the iranian government. >>> all right. going to show you video that is sure to spark some debate. take a look. dean potter took his 4-year-old dog whisper along for a jump on the side of iger mountain in switzerland. he was well secured on his owner's backpack. you saw his goggles. whisper is believed to be the first dog to go base jumping. here is our question. funny, cute, cruel, amazing? >> look at it attacking his face. >> an