voice well, you're vaporized joining me now, chairman of the democratic party in shelby county, chris gibbs. >> chris, thank you for joining me. i'm really fascinated by your evolution where your conversion, whatever is the appropriate word, describe what we have just said and that is the idea of how you have gone from one party to the next and the straw that broke the camel's back for you walk me through your political conversion, was the trump of vacation, so to speak, of the republican party that straw well, thanks lauren for having me and thanks for helping tell the story. i spent 20 years within the republican administration in shelby county. much of that is chair, i think seven years as chair. and in 2014, i stepped down as chair voluntarily because i was starting to feel that tea party movement that was eventually moved into what we now know as a maga movement i specifically look at steve king out of iowa and others who were extremely hard on immigrants. and i was a proponent of good immigration should reform, if you remember, in 2013, i think we have the gang of eight bill in the se

robert gibbs, stephanie gresham, adam pollock, charles coleman, i cannot imagine a better group of folks i have had this journey with. that's going to do it for us this hour. joining us for "chrisy weekday on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right

robert gibbs, stephanie gresham, adam pollock, charles coleman, i cannot imagine a better group of folks i have had this journey with. that's going to do it for us this hour. joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. >>> good to be with you, i'm alex witt in for katy tur. let's go to the courthouse, joining us from outside the courtroom, nbc news national correspondent yasmin vossoughian, 3:00 p.m. eastern, catch us up on today's testimony and what is happening right now. >> reporter: hope hicks integral to the prosecution here, alex, connecting the dots, and i want to talk to you first about a moment that just took place regarding the article in january 2018 that came out, revealing the payoff to stormy daniels from michael cohen, and how hope hicks framed that payoff, and let me read the verbiage inside the courtroom. can you describe the conversation and hope hicks saying this, it was the day after michael told "the new york times" he made a payment without trump's knowledge and trump said he spoke to michael and he paid this woman to protect from a false allegation and michael had done it to prot