chris, and i'm committed in the long-term. i believe the commissioner of public safety john harrington and the governor is, i will tell you do you know who called for real change? martin luther king called for it. he was talking about police brutality back in the 60s. this problem is not a simple problem, nor is it a localized problem. we all have to embrace change and move forward and maybe this can help us do it. jon: for more on this interview, let's go right to "fox news sunday" anchor chris wallace who is joining us now. chris, great job with that interview. i was struck in listening to it that this is the top law enforcement officer in the state of minnesota who is not exactly giving a ringing endorsement to the police in minneapolis. chris: no. absolutely not. and he has been part of the effort to reform the police. look, we're going to see a lot of ugly stuff tonight. we're going to see a lot of violence on the street, jon. and, you know, there's talk about outsiders perhaps inflaming it, but i don't think we can lose sight of the legitimate grievances and concerns of a lot of those protesters, not saying that there's an