jonathan: he's chris harvey as wells fargo securities, the head of equity strategy. chris, i will try to keep this on the rails for you. [laughter] it gets harder as we keep going. chris: it does. we think we will have a pretty tight trading range, but we think rates are going to go higher. you mentioned real rates. we think real rates are close to negative one heard basis points. you have generational gdp, a lot of other things going on. essentially, they have to be forced higher. that is going to help the reflation trade. we will see a pretty big continuation of the rotation we have already seen. it hasn't ended, and it won't end for some time. jonathan: where are you on the s&p? chris: we are still lower. we have been conservative. you should see double-digit growth from financials, double-digit returns from financials and small caps, but we are expecting single digit returns from larger caps. we have been too conservative in that regard. the large caps have held up much better than what is expected. lisa: what is the big concern here, inflation? or some plea that