and warfare has been a one of the triggers for a certain ecstasy that chris hedges "the new york times" correspondent has written a very good book called war is a force that gives us meaning. everything becomes crystal clear for men on the battlefield. there's us and them and black-and-white and also he says when you're in the midst of conflict you see how very trivial most of the civilian life is. i was talking to the military historian in britain and he was telling me one of the chief causes that drives people to go to the battlefield is utter boredom and futility of their lives and they get it in the way and warfare. >> host: you brought up the subject that you didn't really touch very much on in your book which is what about women. there's so much about the alpha male. there is rape and pillage and taking away the women and bringing them back into women were slaves and the man's search for meaning and the ecstasy, youthful exuberance but there's nothing about women. where do that when and if it into all of this violence? >> guest: not so much because it's been a masculine game. we

warfare has actually been for men particularly, one of the triggers for a certain ecstasy that chris hedges, "new york times" correspondent has written a very good book called "war is a force that gives us meaning." everything was crystal clear for men on the battlefield. there's us and them, it's black and white. and also, he says that when you're in the midst of conflict, you see how very, very trivial and pointless most of civilian life is. i was talking to a military historian in britain, and he was telling me one of the chief quarters that drives young people to go to the battlefield is boredom. a sense of utter boredom and futility in their lives. and they get it in the way that i don't think women do in the same way in warfare. >> ooh. >> host: you just brought up a subject that you didn't really touch very much on in your book, which is what about women? there's so much about the alpha male and there's rape and there's pillage and there's taking away the women, and bringing them back, and women were slaves, women were chatle, man's search for heavenning, the ecstasy, youthful exuber

that chris hedges, "new york times" correspondent, has written a very good book called "war is a force that gives us meaning." everything that is crystal clear for men on the battlefield. us and them. black and white, and also he says that when you're in the midst of conflict, you see how very, very trivial and pointless most of civilian life is. i was talking to a military historian in britain just this last month, and he was telling me that one of the chief causes that drives young people to got. a sense of user boredom and futility in their lives, and they get it in the ways that i don't think women do in the same way in warfare. >> host: you just brought up a subject that you didn't really touch very much on in your book, which is what about women? there's so much about the alpha male and there's rape and pillage and taking away the women and bringing them back and -- women were slaves, women were chatle, man search for meaning, the ecstasy. useful ex-rubens but nothing about women. where do women fit into this violence? >> guest: well, not so mach -- not so much because war is a m

right to his winnings, people line ken langone, i know he dangled that in front of chris flowers and steve cohen, the hedged trader, he dangled buying into his lawsuit. like you gave me money, and you get a percentage of it if we win. so a lot of smart people think he has a shot. it's interesting from another sense that it doesn't look like the case is going to come down to like the major witnesses, ben bernanke who was fed chairman at the time of the bailouts of 2008, hank paulson who was the treasury secretary -- liz: and former goldman sachs -- >> ceo. and tim geithner who was then the head of the new york fed which is a major regulatory agency involved in bank regulation. i don't know if testimony comes down to them. there was a lot of fireworks there. it comes down to these secondary people who have to opine, who had been opining before the judge about what they thought was the legality -- liz: well, we have one. professor luigi zen galless, he is being brought onto the witness stand or just as we speak to talk about -- a professor at university of chicago booth school of business. and he has written

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