chris hedges, if you can talk about what julian assange faces right now.have any final appeal? and why you believe he has been held for as long as he has before the belmarsh prison, course, taken refuge in the ecuadorian embassy where we interviewed him a never of times in london. he is been graded political asylum. >> well, -- let me just throw out because a spanish security firm in the embassy filmed all of julian's meetings with his attorneys, destroying the capacity for attorney-client coverage, the case should not even be in court. this has been a forceful stub julian did not commit a crime. the people who did commit the crime, which exposed him have never been charged. he ripped back the veil and a way no other publisher has done in our lifetime on the inner workings of power, whether it was the podesta emails or the exposing the ability of the cia to hack everything -- our smartphones, televisions, even our cars -- for the iraqi war logs which you mentioned. the ruling elites are determined to destroy him. stella mentioned his precarious condition.

hedge and london. >> you were attached to one of the colleges? >> i was at new college it was called there at oxford. and i found out the room i was in, chris christopherson had stayed there. i got into william blake then very heavily, went to his grave and read all the poetry, and then i started reading all of george orr well just straight through. not his animal farm, but just all of them, down and out in london and paris and coming up for air. >> go back to the oxford thing. for somebody who has never been to oxford, has no idea what it looks like, why is it so important? what's it like there? >> first off, there was the scam element of it. oxford was market tiering its name to rubs like myself in the midwest. you get to do an oxford -- the buck eyes now at oxford university. it's a way for them to generate revenue. i was street smart enough to pick that up. that's what was really going on. but it worked for me because i met people from italy and spain that were my age, and i realized they were fluent in languages and i wasn't. but i did have an edge that i had somehow developed an ability to speed read. so i could whip through novels fa