host: chris hedges, that was 11 years ago today. do you still feel that same way about the dissent? chris: yes. i think it is more pronounced and expressed in political dysfunction. the polarization within society, where we have a divided nation that can no longer communicate. the situation, all of those schools and bridges. 300,000 staff and teachers, so if anything, it more pronounced. it is beginning to be felt in terms of the rise of these messy, right-wing populist, neofascist, neo-confederates. the epidemic of mass shootings -- all of these things are symptoms of a society serious trouble. host: why do you think we have not found a vote to redemption? have seized control, not only of the economy, but of the political system as well. and those forces have essentially seized up. we have watched in washington a political stagnation between the parties for various reasons, unable to get anything through except for massive military budgets. $45 billion more than the administration even requested, we just went through the covid crisis. of all the industrialized nations, we would prob

last cross live now 2 pulitzer prize winning from a foreign correspondent for the new york times chris hedges. joining us from new jersey today, you're most welcome, chris. both you and seymour hersh work for the times at, you know, both dig into and question mainstream narratives despite the blow back that you get . so do you feel we can trust mr. hurst? his article? yeah, i worked with seymour for many years. he has broken story after story as a, i don't think he's ever broken a story that anyone's discredited. going all the way back to the meal i massacre broke the story on the torture and apple grave. i used one of the premier investigative journalists in the united states. indeed, i would say kind of the model for many of the rest of us are older than i am. he writes, it is true. i mean, he also imploded the hall fiction of how some of the lot killed and this is deeply embarrassing and angering to the state. and the kind of denials of his reporting is par for the course. so that's what happened. going again all the way back to the meal eye mask or were 500 on armed vietnamese civilians i

thank it is now my great pleasure to introduce our guest tonight, chris hedges. he's a pulitzer prize winning journalist who has reported on wars and insurgencies in central the persian gulf and the balkans. he became, the new york times middle east bureau chief in 1991, and then the balkan bureau chief for the times in 1995. and because war is our topic tonight, it's worth saying that chris has been held captive, has experienced the full force of war firsthand. what maybe fewer people know is that he is also an ordained presbyterian minister who, for many years now has been teaching inmates in new jersey prisons and who works tirelessly, tirelessly on behalf of those inmates in and when they are released released. his recent book, our class and transformation in an american prison, which you can see in the back there, comes out of that experience. chris is the author of, many other bestselling and often prescient books. these include american fascists, the christian right and the war on america america, the farewell tour and death of the liberal class and of ill

thank it is now my great pleasure to introduce our guest tonight, chris hedges. he's a pulitzer prize winning

it is now my great pleasure to introduce our guest tonight, chris hedges. he's a pulitzer prize winning journalist who has reported on wars and insurgencies

chris hedges is called the american mafia state. m statinya tiny cabal of peoplh control of our government and they're using it to do war for economic profit. you know what the differencee diffbetween a mafia state now, back then, the mafia helped defeat the back then, now arming. you know, isn't it just likezis. america to ignore the that aree sufferin ag here at home trying to buy eggs while we funhod in other countries? co's eggs unbelievable what's happening. this is this is really abouties? world war three .ey inv and why aren'tes they investigating it? no, they won't even ask them a question. sy hersh is our article came out detailing how they all blewh up the nord stream pipelinee and the american press won'te even ask the people he named in that article a question about it. they won't ask victoria nuland. they won't sullivan. ask they won't askan anthony blinke. in fact, those people won'tve a even give a statement about it. you know who will talk about it? kirby, the press secretary at the white house, because i'm sure the

america has become, in the words of chris hedges, a mafia state a small cabal of people controls ourour mafia state before and now before the mafia helped defeat the nazis. yes, it's true, it's true for you. now she expresses something incredible speech is going on, really the third world war america is the world terrorist. we provoked the current crisis, but people don't know that the cia conspired, right-wing nazi radicals to overthrow the democratically elected government of ukraine in 2014. nobody will tell you this. but the americans are convinced that if the doctor of the government spends everything, then they will probably be allowed to spend more in the near future . trying to cover it up with a good purpose. we need to support the economy of ukraine as much as possible russian assets should be used to support ukraine and the countries hosting refugees from ukraine they should be the main source of support for a ruined world that has paid and suffered greatly from the increase in food and energy prices due to the conflict. and i believe that such actions can set a healthy pr

hedge your bets. might not be donald trump. could be ron desantis. chriss will do or not do because nobody knows what he is outside of tallahassee. he's just the latest. there's others like chris sununu says he's not a fan of using the government to force your ways on an issue like that. what did you make of that? >> you know, okay, the obvious thing we can say right now, you have trump out there commanding 40% -- 35%, 40% of the vote. what differentiates desantis from scott walker, there's been some scott walk area naturalings from 2016 to desantis in go 024. what desantis is polling in the recent polls is 30 to 35%. if you're out there, nikki haley or chris christie, you have an obvious first choice, who is your target? who can you go after? not necessarily alienate core supporters, draw attention to yourselves. a lot of ways, desantis is an easier target than trump. we don't know how desantis -- how committed they are and whether they will take offense if somebody goes after a candidate. it's not clear there's a down side to going after him compared to