the two pastry chefs who started it, chris hoover and walker who is sam's wife, supplied all the pastriesound a space on the block to do that and the ice cream kind of came as an afterthought. they realized the desire for ice cream and we now have lines around the corner. so, that's been a huge success. >>> in 2008, sam started 18 reasons, which is our community and event space where we do five events a week all around the idea of bringling people closer to where the food comes from and closer to each other in that process. >> 18 reasons was started almost four years ago as an educational arm of their work. and we would have dinners and a few classes and we understood there what momentum that people wanted this type of engagement and education in a way that allowed for a more in-depth conversation. we grew and now we offer -- i think we had nine, we have a series where adults learned home cooking and we did a teacher training workshop where san francisco unified public school teachers came and learned to use cooking for the core standards. we range all over the place. we really want every

chris, that's an impossible question. you is me almost equivocating. i'm going to give it one more try. hooverhen he left office was responsible for the passage of the 20th amendment to the constitution. why? we needed -- people were suffering so much. we had to shorten the time between the election and inauguration. election is in november. inauguration used to be in march. hoover was so awful, people are suffering so much we amended the constitution to make inauguration january 20th because of hoover. >> he was that bad. i do think that you should all, if you get a chance tonight, you know, wikipedia, read about andrew johnson. relive the bush period in the many fine books that were produced or, you know, go to msnbc archives if you can pull up much fine programming here. and read some andrew jackson stuff, too. it really, quite a character. dorian warren from columbia university. john nichols. ben moore. gentlemen, thank you all. now that we told you our pick for the "all in" bad presidents, which would you pick? go to our website to vote. that's "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddo