johnson had to take that hit. truman had to take that hit. you cannot get around enforcing racial justice and gender equality. >> chris: speaking of racial justiceemed that the white house went to some lengths to keep the president out of another conversation about race. is that a mistake? >> well, they tried to avoid it but it is unavoidable. the issue of, you know, when i went to jail this year, along with sherrod, 50 years ago seeking access to public accommodation we were separated by race and we couldn't use the same hotel, motel, park, library, now we are not so much separated, now they have these kids and here we are today with a new conversation when georgia plays georgia tech, its uniform color versus skin color. we have overcome that level of racial fear. on the other hand you look at incomegap or wealth gap and of blacks and in font mortality and unemployment and home foreclosures. the same day there was a summit with president obama and crowley the same day, lisa mad madigan from illinois filing lawsuits, blacks and browns, hear me now. >> chris: i'm running out of time and i want to ask you about two more questions, if i may, sir. t