and the boss is kraft, if you cho chris kraft you know where you stand with him. either in good or you're out. i think we were blessed as a country to have leaders like that. >> jim, just after the first of the two tv broadcasts from the moon, you reported something that might have sounded strange to mission control. after describing several famous landmarks you then said, i can see the old second initial point here very well. mt. maryland. aren't lunar land marks supposed to be named after ancient explorers. >> we had some pictures, photographs of the near side of the moon, and we were lookal another our orbits around the moon, and the sore of the sea of tranquility was a little triangular mountain that pointed sort of into whether where we thought the first landing go into into. which turned out to be apollo 1. so just have jokingly i told bill and trapping, i'm nameing this mt. maryland and then apollo 10 went there later on and did what was called an approach and an abort which was part of the team just to see if they worked okay. and they took a picture of mt

if you ask bormann, i told him, chris kraft said there was consideration about turning you around. he laughed and said, never. i would have never turned around. i'm the boss there. if i had a heart attack, i would've told those guys, my last words, we're still going. brian: he did not trust the doctors. especially the agency's medical director -- should we assume dr. barry is dead? robert: i believe he is, yes. brian: why would he not trust the nasa doctor? robert: frank was not the only one. there were several who believed the doctors were trying to insinuate themselves in the picture to make themselves part of the adventure. if they just sat around and let things unfold, they would not be credited with having much to do with the program. a lot of the astronauts distrusted the doctor. when i asked chris, he said that's crazy. he knew they did that. he thought that was ridiculous and that they needed to allow experts to help them. the astronauts believed if doctors were given the chance to turn things around, they would turn it around. and they were not about to risk that. brian: t