. >> [indiscernible] >> chris krebs at dhs has done a good job on the election machinery in terms of improved safety. now, theion we have attempt to slow down the mail in themiddle of a pandemic, necessity to use mail-in voting, i think that raises other serious questions about security. making any of that. there's been no evidence of that. what we do need to recognize is that the election machinery is better than it was four years ago. i want to make a suggestion. if you will get the name, address, and telephone number of the individual involved and get it to the member of congress home they represent -- who represent them, or the senior member of the committee oversees the postal department, we will track that down. >> thank you. one more question -- >> one more question. thank you all very much. you are just as hot as we are, i guess. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] announcer: there is some news breaking this afternoon re

today we're joined by the nation's chief risk officer chris krebs, director of the department of homeland security's cyber security and infrastructure security agency leave it to congress to include security twice in your title chris. chris will talk about how the department has protected america's critical infrastructure in the past and what we need to do going forward. chris has briefed me frequently as a member of the homeland security advisory committee, and the homeland security experts group, doesn't have security twice in either name, and even showed up last year at the hacking conference in las vegas. i was there too. i was a dinosaur in the room. this is chris's second tour at the department. he was previously senior adviser to the assistant secretary for infrastructure protection and part of microsoft's government affairs team after that. chris has an impressive command. i know this from talking to him. of the threats we face and has been at the forefront of tackling our election security challenges and ensure our networks remain be resilient during a global pandemic and when th

i completely share the logging of efforts of cisa and chris krebs team and the cybersecurity posture we've seen over the past four years. that said, there's a few places where i think we need to be candid that there have been missed opportunities. we are going to have to plan to go into this election with a clear eyed resilience based model and planning for some sort of failure to secure and then deciding what to do at that point. congress has not managed to pass a comprehensive bipartisan election security legislation. we've had some sort of bills that provided some additional funding here and there at the margins and this is a baffling thing. there's large bipartisan agreement on the court issues. this is one of the areas where republicans and democrats really do agree on the big stuff. somehow, we've not managed to get over the little stuff. i think that leaves us more vulnerable. the other thing i think we should note is that we are having a conversation right now that is fundamentally about deterrence by denial. whenever you're talking about nations state behavior and we're ulti

chris krebs, director wray, who leads the fbi, and just before he left, our former director of nationalelligence, who's now gone, but these are folks who put in place an extraordinary system to fight back again foreign interference. the one thing they can't prepare for is that the president himself might fall victim to those conspiracy theories, those lies and that misinformation. and in that circumstance, it's tough to say what our federal government will do. and i think we're unprepared nar outco outcome, despite the great work that those civil servants have done to prepare us for 2020. >> john berman here. a little connected to that is something president obama said last night, and i don't know if you ever voted for him, but president obama said, this administration has shown it will tear down our democracy if that's what it takes to win. i'm curious what you make of that. what evidence of that you have seen? >> well, i think that the president -- president obama is right. donald trump will fight viciously and vigorously to make sure that he doesn't lose this election. but i don't ju

one area i would like to throw out for discussion later on, it connects back to what chris krebs was talking about, we live in a digital world we are all digital citizens and i am not sure what the level of maturity is for our government or citizens to operate in this environment but one thing that connects all critical info structure together is the electoral magnetic spectrum through which wi-fi signals and everything passes. it is a new domain that touches everything we will have to manage it as a domain. right now we handle spectrum on a basis through the federal communications commission and we have auctions to deal with spectrum like it is a property right but it's an enabling domain that connects all critical infrastructure together. i think we will have to get our arms around that to solve these problems because that is the connective tissue that ties everything together. thanks. >> thank you. catherine. >> one, again, thank you for inviting me. i absolutely agree with bob and thad. let me give a slightly different dimension. we talked about process and being able to collabor