. >> donna richardson -- >> i love republican voters are not going to be making that -- >> chris krity had no knowledge of this. and people in politics don't understand how that's possible. although president obama has said on multiple occasions he didn't know what was going on at the nsa or with the obama care website or the irs. you were governor, is that plausible that he really didn't know what was going on underneath him? >> new jersey's a lot bigger than new mexico size wise. i had a very good staff, but z also be honest, i didn't know what all of my staff was doing. maybe i have a little sympathy for what the governor is saying, but at the same time it is your administration. here i disagree a little bit with john. ultimately the buck stops with you. and if he has people that are reacting that way, important people like head of the port authority or deputy chief of staff, that the guy won with 65%. i don't know why you need retribution on one mayor in a small community. >> that he's never heard of reportedly. >> if that's the mentality of the staff, the danger is if he has staff