well, i think that chris licht had a really big project. of a free-for-all. right? and that led a lot of viewers to say there's no other opinion other than an anti-trump opinion. do you think there'll ever be a time where we're able to watch, like, non-partisan news? is non-partisan news possible? i feel like non-partisan news will be possible when things like basic human rights become non-partisan issues. - ooh! - [applause] - [applause] - i like that. it just feels like there's all this-- there's propaganda surrounding what the truth really is, propaganda surrounding what the media is putting out, but the media has a responsibility to produce all sides of an argument. i think it's gotta be-- you gotta be careful, though... [applause] cnn is toeing this line of, like, both-siderism, but i don't think there's two sides to - hiding nuclear secrets. - [applause] isn't that scary, though? 'cause if we treat, like, the news like a playlist on, like, spotify or tidal? it's like, we literally could listen to whatever we want to hear when we want

well, now they have a new president in chris licht and they have new ownership. and the objective is to get back balance, right? to get back to aspirational. so they're trying to unwind a commercial decision that they made i quote in the book the moonves the former head of viacom and cbs who said of donald trump, you know, may be bad for the country, but it's great for viacomcbs. so keep going donald. ha ha, ha. i think lot of networks and i think fox is included, that trump was a ratings bonanza and people were so terrified either or terrified he the the either it was a limbic response from american -- consumers of either delight or real fear and anger and those forces created incentives for these networks to go really heavy on trump from the beginning and we see sort of the wreckage the after you know after the party. it's sort of time to clean up. you quote on a couple of occasions, some of journalistic essay writing of george orwell from the 1930s and 1940s, which was period of time when people had kind of lost faith in liberalism ocracy in things like truth