our guests are amanda george and chris marianna, colleagues who work at the archdiocese of san francisco. it is in the news, it is well known secular news and church news, that young people are leaving the church. not just young people, but to the number who profess they are catholic has dropped. when they did standard surveys and so on. is a name for people working on on their religious affiliation on the survey. you must deal with these people, you know who they are, right? that must be a challenging situation to look at. >> i mean, a lot of my friends that i grew up with, catholic are now nuns. they don't go to church. they don't consider themselves catholic, you know we know from statistics, from studies, that's the main reason that young people are leaving the church the some of the harder teachings of the church. but, i think that is not something that can't be overcome. we can overcome that. what we need to do is train ourselves, our youth ministers, our young adult leaders to be more comfortable talking about the teachings of the church. in a loving way. it always has to be with