and chris mathews.bstance of the debate about the president's leadership in national security affairs, particularly afghanistan. here is a key excerpt from the book. gates writing about the march 20 meeting in is the situation room. gates write, "as i sat there, i thought, the president doesn't trust his commander, can't stand afghan president hamid karzai, doesn't believe in his own strategy, and doesn't consider the war to be his. for him, it's all about getting out." chris mathews, how scathing is this of obama's leadership? >> well, it has a certain tone to it, but i think he's right in the sense that president obama ran on the campaign to get us out of afghanistan. that was his mission. there's nothing wrong with that. he makes it sound like there's something wrong with that. that's tonal. the policy of this president when he came into office, got into office, was wind down two wars, and he did so. maybe what wasn't gates' point of view, but it was obama's. >> is it clear, robert gibbs, if i'm read

chris matthews. [applause] mathews. [applause] [cheers and applause] >> must be women. [laughter] whose frowning at me? one guy. looking around for the france. it's great to be down here. i love this place. i love the weather. when your kid, summers are warming to get high. for some reason, summers are always warming your kids. anyway, i wanted to read a book about something i knew about. i have three books inside. this is the first of three i'm going to. the other ones about the 60s, what i was really like. every time i meet a kid come everybody here knows what i'm talking about. the 60s are just exciting. you could hear the music right now. i'm a walrus. you can hear it, right? i heard it at chapel hill when i said that gore. it's great. even if you wanted to drugs or crazy stuff, it was great entertainment. because it was all around you and i was always a show on campus. it was a free time. and so, i want to write about that going into the peace corps in 68. [applause] >> sure was. peace corps. and on the peace corps knows exactly what it was right. even if we got th