so in terms of the trip to new york on the 29th and 30th, as i said, representatives from tida, chris meade, and their program director wiggins, as well as christy yard, principal at c.m.g. and the arts commission, toured several parks in brooklyn and manhattan. our interests were in learning about best practices for the development, governance and conservancy of open spaces. and the design and operational considerations and art programs and financial institutional models and the governance and operational rulemaking. this aerial map shows you the sites that we visited. brooklyn bridge park and the brooklyn naval yard and domino park in brooklyn. and governor's island and the highline and hudson yards and the shed in manhattan. we started the first day with a conversation with charles mckinney and robert balder. charles mckinney was a former chief of design for new york city parks and is now the chair of the city as a living laboratory. and robert balder directs cornell's architectural program in new york city. and charles was able to give us a lot of insights from his career within the par