chris mullin interviewed me years ago. the mp. he mentioned that in his book. he interviewed you? exactly what i'm telling you. you see, for someone who won't answer the questions, you seem to have an awful lot of knowledge about the birmingham pub bombings. a lot of people have read about the birmingham pub bombings, have an awful lot of knowledge through reading, you know? but you're giving the impression that your knowledge is much greater than what somebody has read in a book. my knowledge is only greater due to the fact that i was a member of the ira. i had a more intimate knowledge of things that went on around me than the ordinary man in the street. mick hayes says he was arrested and questioned by the west midlands police in 1974 about the bombings, but was let go. in 1990, granada television made a drama—documentary called who bombed birmingham? in it, michael hayes was named as one of those who planted the birmingham pub bombs. the programme said... in 1990, granada television made a drama—documentary about the birmingham pub bombings. yes. and they n

i'm ranger chris mullins. i'm from jacksonville, florida. folks, i have a great job. i have been working with the national park service since 1999. i have been all over the united states. i got my start in alaska, klondike gold rush national historic park. i spent a few summers out there, then i went to my hometown of jacksonville, work at a small little park on the banks of the st. johns river, fort caroline national memorial. i went to the outer banks of north carolina and worked at our nation's first national seashore, cape hatteras seashore. i moved north and have been working here at the statue of liberty at ellis island about seven years now. i have a great job. we want to protect these special places not only for today, we want to leave them unimpaired for future generations. that's our goal. folks, here we are at the statue of liberty, our nation's most famous national monument, a gift from the people of france, given to us, the people of the united states, in 1886 to commemorate our friendship, to commemorate our democracy. these folks know the statue has bec

voiceover: chris mullin is the former mp for sunderland south and he was instrumental in the campaignet the expectations of the relatives. several of the perpetrators of the bombings are dead, and of those that are still alive, i'm not aware of any evidence that would enable them to be brought before a court of law. perhaps if one of them was to own up and put his thumbprint on a statement, admitting responsibility, that, of course, would change the whole dynamic. mick hayes says he was arrested and questioned by the west midlands police in 1974 about the bombings, but was let go. in 1990, granada television made a drama—documentary called who bombed birmingham? in it, michael hayes was named as one of those who planted the birmingham pub bombs. in 1990, granada television made a drama—documentary about the birmingham pub bombings. yes. and they named you as one of the bombers. yes. yes, they named me that, yeah. i was named as such. not proven, but named. how many people planted the bombs? two. and who were they? i‘m not telling you. were you one of them? i‘m not telling you. i mean,