emily: joining me now chris , painter, a former cyber diplomat.ked at the doj, the fbi, the national and the state department, all on cyber. do you think that russians will act as if anything is off-limits? mr. painter: that is the real question. president biden says the proof will be in the pudding. so far, no. they have already agreed in the u.n., that critical infrastructure, countries should not attack that in peacetime. we are in peacetime now, and yet you see these incidents of the time, both by the russian state, and also by actors in russia, cyber criminals, where they are not taking any action. it is great to agree on things but unless there is actually follow-through and accountability and consequences, i don't think we are going to see a change. emily: based on what you heard, out of this meeting, what could president putin do? what will he likely do when it comes to cyberspace? mr. painter: i think there can be some things discussed between the two. however,, i thought that perhaps president putin, i thought that there was a glimmer of