want to show the world that it's really possible. >> this is the future and it's attainable. >> chris payneman who has taught me a thing or two about efficiency and electric cars, to say the least. 15 years ago, chris, they killed it. today the president of the united states is introducing one and manifesting some of our better talents in terms of innovation and design. your thoughts and response and reconciliation of what you see in this electorate car in the context of all the other trade deals and occupations. >> well, it's ironic they call it the first electric car, because they had one ten years ago, the ev1, and they built that one in lansing, michigan. >> so i need to correct myself, their second electric car? >> well, you could even argue that the volt is an electric car too. and they're making that in detroit. so you have to give gm credit for seeing they made some mistakes and trying to do a better job. that can make us optimistic. what's unfortunate is there's a lot of pushback on electric cars, the obamamobile or something, they're politicizing even the electric car. they're tak