s national counterterrorism security office chris phillips chris tell me it's confirmed that the terrorist was wearing an electronic tag at a prior conviction for terrorism so clearly khan was on the radar could that. have done more. well quite frankly he this man should have been imprisoned he was convicted of a very serious terrorist attack or attempted attack just a few years earlier and he's been released on license effectively back out to the public when he really should have been in prison so yes they should have done more but i think if you release people and put them on to the streets of the tag you can expect the police to stop him from committing terror then so just to pick up on that so we know that back in 2012 khan apparently pleaded guilty for plotting to bomb the london stock exchange among other things so what is it that led to his release is it a failure of the legal system is it the fact that the security services are over bad and now it's it's a real problem for a criminal justice system which is not doing what it should do and that's keeping the public safe this man was

live on the line now by chris phillips who's the former head of the u.k.'s national counter-terrorism security office good evening to you if we if we speak 1st chris specifically about alberta's sharni who is reported to spend nearly 2 years here apparently without problems from the authorities how big a concern is that to have a terrorist large. liberty for so long well it is very concerning. he's going to be on his own. across. across a lot of. the. people that have actually been. on. analyzing the fighting. returning to countries and being able to operate there is very concerning for all countries and according to ukraine security services sunny monies to coordinate terrorist activities from kiev which begs the question why ukraine are they a soft touch when it comes to security well it certainly appears at the moment that they've got some problems in ukraine controlling this issue and people of course are able to move across borders not really worrying this man now we're supposed to be in debt supposed have been killed in action and blown up but it's cl

that was chris phillips there.o helped to restrain the attacker. he's been speaking to 5—live. his account contains some graphic details. well, we saw, just sort of a handful of people running away from a direction to the left of us, on the left—hand side, from south to north, and i don't know why, but i felt compelled to jump out of the car to go and see what the situation was. and we saw a guy being accosted to the floor. i ran over to investigate what was going on and the guys were just screaming, "he's stabbed a couple of women". i'm guessing from the bar, from the fishmongers' bar. so they were screaming that. so everyone was just on top of him, trying to bundle him to the ground, and we saw that the knife was still in his hand, he was covered in blood. the knife was still in his hand, so ijust put a foot in to try and kick him in head... we were trying to do as much as we could to try to dislodge the knife from his hand so he wouldn't harm anyone else. so the guys that were there were just amazing. incredible

s national counter-terrorism security office chris phillips. interesting that the threat level was reduced very shortly before this attack happened but we're seeing more and more previously convicted islamist terrorists being released back into u.k. streets the high level of threat would be because there was specific intelligence indicating that some sort of attack was being planned and it would be reduced if there was no such specific intelligence to substantial as a general threat level in this case because he was acting apparently as a lone wolf there would be no indication that he was planning anything they were being potentially no chatter out there to be intercepted so they would have seen any of the a preemptive intelligence that our spy agencies are actually mandated to try and gather all that they seem to be able to name and is gather intelligence which they can then use after an attack in the manner of cleese forces to gather evidence to try and piece together what happened in the run up to such an attack that is not the work of intel

that counterterrorism security officer chris phillips says i saw has never stopped planning attacks on the west despite their defeat in syria. but only gets only ukraine that i've got a problem with this i think other countries as well and of course if you have free movement across borders anywhere then you're leaving an open door for terrorists and criminals that operate this round was a very senior person who knows this but there are many others that have also managed to escape the battlefield and go back to their countries so this is a worldwide problem obviously he's managed a movie they managed to claim that he was being killed so the the or thirty's were on the back foot so it's really concerning it will be interesting to know where he has gone who he's been communicating with whether or not they've been set you know . cells of terrorists dotted around europe and across the world to bring this about they know they never this is the end of ice it's this this latest battle in syria is not the end of us they consider it part will go to war in a war that they're going to bring to us

s national counter-terrorism security office chris phillips he believes the problem lies within the britishjustice system. no it's it's a real problem for a criminal justice system which is not doing what it should do and that's keeping the public safe this was really i mean the investigation was brilliant it gave the evidence and he got him convicted in court but for some reason a criminal justice system and judges and the way our system works allows people. halfway through their sentence which means 5 or 6 years after e committed this offense he was back on the streets and he was still radicalized so very difficult for the police to to monitor people at this and of course if they just want to pick up a knife it's pretty much impossible to stop as well so so the criminal justice system here is at fault. another headline story for you this hour u.s. democrat strategist who previously worked for barack obama are now being accused of creating fake news in a bid to sway next year's presidential election that's after they wanted a media company called korea news room with the aim of countering

well, with me now is chris phillips, former head of the national counter terorrism security office.. just to explain what has happened as far as we can see it. the suspect was first evolved put on indeterminate figure in terms of how much time he would stay injail. and in terms of how much time he would stay in jail. and that was changed by the court of appeal. and he was sentenced to 16 years. he should have come out halfway through that according to current law, but he came out before, last year. yes, but he would have spent some time on remand and that is taken into account. and the judge who remand and that is taken into account. and thejudge who heard this evidence felt that he should be put in prison and he should not be released until he was radicalised. i think it was clear as to what his thinking was. i think the view was we have got to give him a hope of coming out again. but what they have done is given to him effectively as six or seven done is given to him effectively as six or seven year sentence because he is going to be out halfway through his sentence. what the crim

with me is chris phillips, the former head of national counterterrorism.ompany? it is an odd place, even though a similar incident did happen in 2017. odd place, even though a similar incident did happen in 20mm odd place, even though a similar incident did happen in 2017. it is. we expect these things to happen in iconic locations. there might be a back story to this which we might find out over the coming months and yea rs find out over the coming months and years ahead. but... it is clearly... two people have died, so someone really has set out to kill. how they intended to do that and for what reasons, that is the investigation. and the investigation starts with forensics and cctv, then it'll widen out, and when they know who this person is, then they will be looking at who he knows and whether they are connected. how big a job is that? massive. first thing you've got to do is make sure this person isn't pa rt do is make sure this person isn't part of a bigger group. it's not beyond the realms of possibility that this person was one of a group and the

we appreciate your time tonight, chris phillips, thanks very much for being with us., what police are saying there. yes, i thank you always have to keep an open mind, whenever you get an incident like this. however, anybody thatis incident like this. however, anybody that is stabbing people and has gotten a suicide or pretend suicide vest around them is always going to be terrorism is always going to be at the top of the list of things to do, what that does, it allows the police to bring in extra counterterrorism officers in order to deal with it. and therefore, right now, what are the police priorities? the priorities are making sure that this person is in fa ct a making sure that this person is in fact a lone wolf, a lone actor, if you want. they would want to find out exactly who he is. where he comes from. what is history is. and what he's been doing, and who he has been communicating with because of course, we are taking this as a one—off, one person, but we don't know that yet, and that's what investigators will be trying to out. and there is never a good time,

chris phillips, former head of the national counterterrorism security office. back to their last performance at the euros, but the young side have exceeded expectations, fascinating interview with gareth southgate. cricket first. cricket ongoing overnight. the latest from hamilton. england are facing a real battle if they're to win the second and final test and level the series. they've lost two early first innings wickets in reply to new zealand's 375 all out. england finished the day on 39—2 so they trail by 336 and the day started well enough with england's bowlers on top. tom latham made a century yesterday but he added just four to his overnight score before he was bowled by stuart broad. new zealand recovered well though. daryl mitchell made 73 and bj watling — who you'll remember frustrated england with a double century in the first test — also scored a half century to put the hosts in control on day two. back to the interview with south glass —— gareth southgate. later today, england and wales will find out who they'll face at next year's euros. scotlan

chris. in the past 5 years has a ballin had always come away from al spoke with at least a point and point coach and urgently needed. but phillips is free kicks able to post every want to give the home side the lead in the seventy's minutes but had his fortunes been helped 10 minutes later by rooney yasht on gifting outspokenness 2nd goals through sakyo court of a loss and extra man advantage getting himself sent off in the precious. reserve keep the dentist smush was not to be envied on his going to sleep good to andre hahn made it straight after the break before florian also got on the scoresheet i. outs both post that 1st home win against hatter in over 5 years for a huge 3 point while 4 losses in a row for hatto could cost cho pitch his job. if. the christians try from freiburg it's been the classic. best season ever mark fleck and didn't get off the best stuff and you can see that a free kick in the box. because it fails can but the golden opportunity. they get showed a more effective use of set pieces a couple of minutes later chris hello with his 3rd of the season. peter bosses charges did up the game. but in a private go

phillip, how does what you call the chaos theory help president trump beat impeachment? i'm sorry, jonathan. >> so basically, chriskers to be able to have an excuse for voting with him. that is to say voting against impeachment in the house, voting not to remove him in the senate. so having a lot of different answers to are why they're doing that, a lot of different explanations to take home to their constituents allows them to pick what's best for them, what suits them best, doesn't require them to necessarily buy into the excuse that he chooses, which is at the moment mostly that he did absolutely nothing wrong or any of the other particular sort of lines argument. and so that's more comfortable for those republican lawmakers. now, in the long term it may be more difficult. if you're talking about the 2020 election, they may need to co le -- coalesce for him. in terms of impeachment, he doesn't need a point. >> not a single republican has come out and said i'm voting for impeachment or to remove the president from office. so a big burden is on the democratic party. how do they build a case? >> they've been build