have chris ruddy referred to an interview that the head of national intelligence gave yesterday.fore the election. there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president elect at the time as a candidate or against his campaign. you would be told this? i would know that. if there was a fisa court order about something like this? something like this, absolutely. and at this point, you can't confirm or deny whether that exists? i can deny it. a short while ago, i spoke to matthew miller, who served as spokesperson at the justice department until 2011. matt miller, you heard chris ruddy there saying that president trump and his team are very confident that during the course of the campaign, they were under surveillance by the us government. what do you make of that? well, they might be confident. president trump was very confident for a long time that barack 0bama wasn't born in the united states. it doesn't mean that it's true. we've heard the director of national intelligence come out publicly now and say that the president wasn't wiretapped. his campaign wasn't wiretappe

those who spoke personally to president trump about this -- after those tweets was newsmax ceo chris ruddy. a brief time ago he joined katty kay. katty: you spoke to president trump over the weekend. how would you describe his mood at the moment? chris: i spoke to him twice on saturday and i was a he is not a -- i would say he is not a happy camper. i spoke to him after he had done donewe -- dunphy tweet -- the tweet that morning when he alleged there were wiretaps made against him and his campaign at the order of president obama. he was sort of angry that he was targeted, and he was very confident about the information he had. so i don't think -- i don't think you have seen any walk back from the white house since he made those comments. he told me later that night as the story was developing -- i asked him based on all the denials that had come out during the day and he said, look -- i have this on my blog at newsmax -- if they investigate, they will find out i am proven right. they need to look into this. katty: you spoke to the president was, you spoke to him on the phone or in person?

third, a timeline for resolving it. >> to follow up on something chris ruddy was saying. and the white house has talked about as well. we have the former director of intelligence saying he's seen no evidence of collusion with people from the trump campaign and the russians. have you? >> it's my understanding that's exactly what's being investigated. he's stating there's a conclusion being reached. my understanding is that's being investigated. >> so up to now, you haven't seen any evidence? >> no conclusion one way or another. >> meanwhile, congressman hurd, how do you expect to go about this? and bottom line, do you think the house intelligence committee will get to the bottom of this? what is it going to take? >> i think it takes a bipartisan, thoughtful, thorough investigation. first, we have to allow federal law enforcement to continue to do their job. i think some folks will probably be frustrated on monday on not hearing certain answers because there may be an active investigation going on. criminal investigation. if there's an active criminal investigation, we need

friday morning, a breitbart headline, then saturday the claims, phenomenoned by a conversation with chris ruddy. >> he was not a heavy camper, and he complained very loudly to me, repeating stuff that was in those tweets, that this was mccarthyism and watergate type stuff. >> reporter: it would be a huge scandal if it happened, but there's no evidence it did. just like the president's claim millions of people voted illegally, about where president obama was born, and that ted cruz's father was involved with president kennedy's assassination. >> in case after case, even as president, donald trump has made outrageous claims with no obvious basis in fact. it's hurt his credibility with voters, now it as president it can hurt his credibility on the world stage if he's proven not to be telling the truth. >> reporter: a spokesperson for former president obama calls the claims simply false. now with president trump describing his predecessor as a bad or sick guy, new questions about their relationship, the press secretary predicting both presidents will be just fine. >>> and now to the new executive o

reporter: friday morning a breitbart headline, then the claims followed by a conversation with friend chris ruddy. >> he was not a happy camper, and he complained very loudly repeating stuff that was in these tweets that it was mccarthyism and watergate-level type stuff. >> reporter: it would be a huge scandal if it happened, but there's no evidence that it did, just like the president's claim millions of people voted illegally, like past questions about where president obama was really born and cruz's father was involved with the assassination of kennedy. >> even as president trump has made claims with no obvious basis in fact, it's hurt his credibility with voters, now it could hurt his credibility on the world stage if he's proven to not be telling the truth. >> reporter: a spokesperson for former president obama calls the claims against him simply false. and now with president trump describing his predecessor as a bad or sick guy, new questions about their relationship. the press secretary today predicting both presidents will be just fine. >>> now to that new executive order the president si

here is his friend, chris ruddy, speaking to the bbc. i spoke to him after he did the tweed that morning when he alleged there were wiretaps made against him and his campaign at the order of president obama. he was angry that he was targeted and he was very confident about the information he had. i don't think we have seen any work back from the white house since he made those comments and he told me later that night as the story was developing, i asked me later that night as the story was developing, iasked him, based on all the denials that have come out during the day and he said, i have this on my website, if they investigate they will find out and i will be proven right and they need to look into this. let's go live to washington. it is a strange situation with the president said something happened, there is no proof, lots of people say it is not true, how does it get resolved? that was a good question. i think the original tweet seems to have been based on an article on breitbart, the conservative website, maybe a column by a radio

extremely important to the increased coverage that came from obamacare and even conservatives like chris ruddyor and ceo of news max have said publicly obama won the debate on coverage. we should be focusing on how to achieve it. if we don't like this way, we should like another way. meantime, this is a political hot button for the governor and others up for re-election in 2018. >> elise, as was said here by david, you used to work for rand paul there was an alleged reported draft of the plan here to repeal and/or replace obamacare at the moment. he was not part of that. he said why can't i be part of this? and i'm sure many of these republican governors want to know what's going on. >> senator paul is arguing for transparency that's necessary in a public debate that will change the way our government is administering health care, trying to make the role of government less in health care so someone like senator paul is taking a stand against what he calls obamacare light. and house republicans should be forthcoming on those details. >> which republican governor is doing a good job of splitting

chris ruddy who is a friend of the president, he runs the website news max, he's a member at marge alagole about this bill encouraging the president to, quote, scrap this, come up with a more bipartisan bill. clearly, trump has been acting in good faith but shouldn't trust house republicans. the president should be sticking to his guns on health care reform. he did so in the campaign helping him win democratic states like wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. here is say game plan for trump to regain initiative, ditch the freedom caucus and the handful of senate republicans who want a complete repeal of obamacare. will he own it? will he daft it off as paul ryan's plan? or will he make the big public sale? >> it's interesting as you've seen him refer to this bill, he keeps saying, well, you know, the best thing for me to do would be to just let obamacare die, essentially. you can let it die. it's not the right thing to do. but that would be the best thing to do. so you kind of wonder if maybe he's going to move in that direction. there is so much swirling around about this bill. you know

it's stripped down, relatively inexpensive but it's a safety net for everyone and that's where chris ruddy is pointing. it would make a certain amount of sense for a populist like donald trump to land at. >> but let's be clear, complete completely in opposition to the structure of this bill as it is. >> right. >> it's the opposite. this bill is pure ryanism. this bill is everything that mitt romney and paul ryan stood for in 2012, what donald trump's primary opponents stood for and he beat them by not being them. >> it's not everything paul ryan stood for in 2012 because in 2012 mitt romney and paul ryan were insisting they were going to restore the money cut out of medicare. so with this they keep the medicare cuts they ran against six years ago. >> such a good point. >> but you know it definitely -- it is that approach and i think they'll have trouble selling that. >> i agree, josh barro, thank you for joining me. >>> still ahead, my interview with senator elizabeth warren on trumpcare, the firing of preet bharara, then there's what's to happen on the rachel maddow show tonight. there's

>> if you look at the president's allies, people like pundit laura ingram and chris ruddy that he hangs out with at mar-a-lago say trump should have started with infrastructure, jobs, taxes and going along with speaker ryan moves him in an ideological direction that wasn't part of why he won last year. >> rose: the president's argument seems to be -- he threatened the freedom caucus and i'm not sure what the reporting is about that, if closed session. go ahead, you can tell me. >> real quick. when the president visited the capitol tuesday morning, he had an exchange with mark meadows of north carolina, the chairman of the house freedom caucus, and he said, we may go after you, and he said it in a joking way, but that they saw it as kind of ald veiled threat. trump liebltion to keep the house g.o.p. on edge. he may not go after them. he may not be angling to have primary challenges but he wants to know that he's an unpredictable president and needs a win and if he has a threat, even in a chuckle, he wants it to be out there. >> rose: al, is he the kind of president that can say to them,

chris ruddy, who saw trump in florida this weekend, told our andrea mitchell the president believes he'stargeted and he will be proven right. >> andrea, i saw him twice on saturday. once at the lunch hour and then again at dinner. i would describe him as not being a happy camper. he was pretty upset. i hadn't seen him this -- with this level of anger about something in a long time, and i think a lot of it involved the fact that he felt he was targeted by president obama or the obama administration. >> joining me now, rick tyler, msnbc political analyst and former ted cruz spokesman, and jeff weaver, former bernie sanders' campaign manager. do you think there's any reason for the president to feel like he is being targeted? >> no. every time the president gets in trouble, and he was in trouble recently with attorney general sessions lying to congress, he releases a white rabbit and we chase it around for a while. this is the latest white rabbit. before this we had million and millions of people who shouldn't have voted, white rabbit. the crowd controversy. this is donald trump's way of di

chris ruddy, the news max guy, says we need a more populous plan. conservatives are walking away from this. >> tom cotton saying there is no -- >> bona fide conservative, u.s. senator from arkansas, doesn't like this at all. i think donald trump has to make a decision. it either needs to be cut and run, abandon this, sell out paul ryan, or stay and fight. but he has to decide because -- >> when you say fight you mean back the current -- >> you have to go to those conservative members of congress and say you ran on this for the last six years, you side you wanted to repeal obamacare. you promised you were going to repeal obamacare. this is your chance. if you don't do it, i'm going to campaign in your district and imgoing to tell all of your constituents that you lied to them. >> jason? what should the president do? >> i'm continually bewildered how the republican party didn't have a bill. as somebody who's helped to elect a lot of these conservatives and republicans, i think what have you guys been doing? a couple things. one, i was glad to hear an

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he said he had never seen the president this angry, chris ruddy. when i asked what evidence he had obama tapped the form or ordered tapping the phone, he gave him no evidence but had confidence about it. he kept reiterating. in the trump team they absolutely believed they were the subject of surveillance. >> some republican members of congress were insistent in order to investigate the president should share what he knows. >> the american people have a right to know on what basis the president of the united states said that his predecessor had broken the law by wiretapping trump towers. >> if the white house does provide more information -- >> the american should demand and see what he does. the american people should know on what basis and then we'll see what the basis is. if there's no basis for it, there's no reason for an investigation. >> it's really hard to cross-examine tweets. there's only two ways to be intercepted, one title 3, criminal inquiry, the other is fisa, an intelligence inquiry. there is no other way for it lawfully to be done.