remember chris shaze won. how in the world the did that happen? i can imagine you're going to get a whole bunch of people who lose that we're surprised about and some who win we're also surprised about. alvaro: like biden winning in -- chris: like biden winning in 1972 and every other democrat lost. >> when you think about this in 2008, none of this saw the wave coming. chris: clatic election people have told medical because they see it coming, because what nancy pelosi sees what tom foley didn't see -- they'll be able to work on it. >> in defense of robert gibbs, the white house press secretary who the other week said the democrats are in danger of losing the house. that was meant as an alarm, meant to lower expectations and also make the point that john made. is it's unusual to have this discussion now. these weafs tend to surprise people and that's the one glimmer of hope obama has. chris: is this going to save the democrats, this offshore warning? >> it will certainly help, that and scott brown. he was also a big warning for the democrats, the