say maybe 13 phone calls, if memory serves me right, that were made between garrett kopp and chris sutton's cell phones. >> a lot of calls. >> lot of calls. >> lots of calls. on the day of the murder. quite probably meant nothing at all, of course. still, garrett kopp was a frequent visitor around the sutton house. he didn't seem to have a job or any direction in life. christopher saw some good in him, apparently. hired him occasionally to do odd jobs. in fact, after the murder, christopher had kopp rip up and remove the bloody carpets from the crime scene. >> what sort of person did he seem like? >> when garrett was in the house, he was always, shall we say, at a distance. i honestly cannot recall any conversations whatsoever with garrett. >> but kopp and christopher called each other all the time, even the night of the murder. an hour after the shooting, just when christopher and his girlfriend juliette were coming out of a movie. >> we pulled the video from the amc movie theater, and it showed him getting right on his cellular telephone right after all the shooting happened. >> was there