and chris swecker is with us. ris, they found the pizza he threw away outside of his office in manhattan, also a police presence right now, he was arrested at his office last night. the families were made aware this morning, and you just heard from the families they did not have any head's up on the leads of this case, especially the pizza box was leading to dna and a hair on burlap material wrapped around a victim so many years >> yeah and i think that the pizza box is downstream from the better work. which is the cell phone tracking and the electronic evidence. all the things that brought them to this particular suspect. so at the end, all they had to do is wait long enough for him to discard something and then make the match. but dna and all forensic techniques advance every year and get better and better. and you see a lot of times when cold cases derived and the benefits of technology, and that's the case here. a lot of good police work here. but i think cell phone track technology and in contact with the vict

we have analysis from andy mccarthy and chris swecker and first we'll go to david spunt. you are at the justice department. i imagine that christopher wray is not looking forward to this testimony but something that he has to do and he will defend the men and women of the f.b.i. in his opening statement. >> hi. this comes at an interesting time right now with the f.b.i. in the news. director wray wants to focus on the f.b.i. he sees. that is what he will call it in his opening statement. one of the big topics that will come up is the hunter biden investigation and the fd1023 form. a standard form used by f.b.i. sources to document an allegation. members of congress, republicans and democrats last month saw the form that allegedly contains a claim that then vice president joe biden accepted a bribe for a policy change. there are questions about this form, republicans say more should be unredacted and asked about the hunter biden plea deal that hasn't been signed off by a judge. expect director wray to put the onus on the department of justice. the third big thing is the f.

. >> trace: also here, chris swecker, former fbi director. we just heard from karl rove that was with former president george w. bush. thanks for coming on, chris. i want to pick up with you where we left off with carl there. i mean, listen, the whole concept, you're investigating this thing and suddenly the white house said no, did not talk business, no, we meant did not do business and now it's just this casual on the phone. but you happen to be the sitting vice president of the united states. regardless if it's casual, it's influential as heck. >> karl is spot on. this is what we call as head of the criminal division, we saw this quite a bit in bribery cases. it's called stream of services. you sell access or something of value, and you get something back in return. it's not an expressed quid pro quo. it's just an understanding. if you can match up the services within a reasonable period of time with the thing of benefit, in this case $10 million or whatever it is, then you have bribery. you don't have to have the expressed quid pro quo. th

. >> turn it over to chris swecker. he's a former assistant fbi director. >> chris, we're now hearing that the hunter biden's lawyer s made a prank call to the judge's courthouse to pretend they were a republican attorney to strike the irs whistle blower testimony fromny being entered into evidence what do you make of that? >> it's starting to read like a grisham novel in it is st. nv apparently, his attorneys have about the same ethics standardsa as he does. and as you pointed out irdn your monologue, i think this is a clear case for disbarment of the attorney. if the judge lets him off on this, that justudge let falln line with everything, everything else that's been happening in the hunter biden casen li. but this is egregious, jesse, in this this can't stand. is the plea deal now in jeopardy after this phony phone call? i think the timing of the plea deal is probably in jeopardy. i would not be surprised at all if the judge put offi woul the sentencing. in fact, i think the odds arf te that that we won't see a senten