maybe more than you realize, according to body language expert chris ulrich. chris: for both bush and trump, there's some personal animosity. we have seen over five debates , the two of them kind of go at it. in this debate i think with trump, when he and bush are going back and forth, he's much calmer in his body language. he's this powerful entity and force. he's grandiose in his body language. with bush, he's much more he comes across as nervous, his facial expressions are nervous and where he gets nervous or when he gets angry rather than , show us that anger, he will reflect this kind of fake smile he will do. and it comes across lacking genuineness or authenticity in that moment. with bush he's very active and nervous that there. so in their exchanges back and forth we see this between the two of them. fernando: am i imagining things? governor bush seems to pull back, literally leaning back as trump is speaking to him? chris: yes, and its not the first time we've seen it. gov. bush: he's a chaos candidate. chris: rather than stand back he kind of stays on