dollars a month joining us right now to talk about how fast the gaming industry is growing is chris velascowith end gadget chris, thank you for being here. >> becky, thanks for having me >> all right this is a little weird the idea that people would actually use real money to go online and buy cheats to cheat on a video game. but there is real money involved here how big of a deal is this? >> it is a pretty big concern, especially when we're looking at the sort of amateur leagues. there are all of these people playing at home that just want that edge, because they know the potential for growth and development in this strange new industry, the upsides are huge >> the people that are watching their favorite players maybe they watch them on a streaming service or maybe they watch them on youtube, how big is that? what kind of money are we talking here and what's the potential? >> hundreds of thousands of dollars are being issued as player salaries. we've also seen some pretty big moves in terms of acquisition costs, because microsoft in its mixer service recently picked up ninja, which was the