chris voss is a lead kidnapping negotiator. chris, let me begin with you. is there blood on the hands of those of our allies who have, in contrast to the united states, been paying ransoms in similar circumstances? >> thank you for having me on. what happened with james foley was a cowardly thing to do. james foley was an honorable man. what our allies have done has added to the problem. it's helped create the problem. this idea of a ransom that they simply open their bank vaults to these people and give them all the money they have has made it worse. it's fed the problem. >> is this more about inspiring terror or creating a thunding stream? "the new york times" reported that $125 million in the last five or so years alone has been put forth to isis because of these campaigns. >> they've learned that kidnapping can be a very lucrative thing to do when different entities and governments respond by dumping out truckloads of money on top of them. it starts out intended to inspire terror and it continues to do so, but then it becomes very lucrative thing to do.

and chris voss is the with fbi. chris, is there blood on the hands of those paying ransoms in similar circumstances? >> thank you for having me on. first of all, i would like to say what happened with james foley was cowardly. james foley was an honorable man. what our western allies have done is helped create the problem. this idea of ransom that they open the bank vaults to people and give them all the money they have has made it worse. it fed the problem. >> is this more about inspiring terror or a funding stream? the new york times reports $125 million in the last five or so years alone is put forth to isis because of the campaigns. >> terrorist organizations that get into kidnapping very soon come to learn that kidnapping can be a lucrative thing to do when entities and governments respond by dumping out truck loads of money on top of them. it starts out with terror, but it becomes a lucrative things to do. >> christopher dickey, i watched the video. i wish i could unwatch it. you wrote for the beast. you wrosai

. >> plea from a mother and here is chris voss, former lead international kidnapping negotiator for the chris, i mean, a lot to talk about here out of this vid weov. what do you think that miss sotloff has been hearing behind the scenes be it from state department officials or isis themselveses? >> thank you for having me on, brooke. as far as what she's hearing behind the scenes there must be a lot of people who don't know for sure what's going on. i know that's very undefined right now and in james foley's case there was silence from isis prior to the things, the cowardly things they did when they murdered him and more than likely they're hearing a lot of silence from isis now. >> so then why now release this video, this emotional plea to this -- to the man, the khalif that she calls him. why now? >> this is a good idea right now. she demonstrated a lot of courage and a lot of respect. i'm very respect with how courageous she was with this video and with all things considered and especially with the recent events it's probably best for her to try to make a direct appeal in a very resp

so chris voss joins me now, former hostage negotiator for the fbi, now managing director with insight security. we also have chad williams, former navy s.e.a.l., author and speaker. so gentlemen, welcome to both of you. >> thank you, brooke. >> thanks for having us on. >> you got it. chris, to you first. you know, if european governments, specific european governments are saying, okay, we'll pay, they're paying, you know, eight-figure ransoms, and getting their hostages in return, do you think the u.s. should do so as well? >> no, i don't. and first of all, brooke, i'd like to say that killing james foley was a dishonorable thing to do. james foley was an honorable man. in regards to the ransoms, the way the western europeans are approaching this is a little bit like if there was a bank robber that showed up and they made an appoint to immediately open the vault and dump all the money at the same time. the way they have responded is just idiotic. so it's an uncontrolled way in which they pay. and you can't blame isil for wanting to do this, because the europeans open up their bank vau

former fbi lead international kidnapping negotiator chris voss joins me to break down this statement.nt right from the get-go. i want to ask you some very specific things about this starting, starting with how she addresses the leader of isis. listen. >> i'm sending this message to you abu bakr al baghdadi al husseini, the caliph of the islamic state. >> right. >> of course, that's how he wants to be known. the rest of the world certainly doesn't acknowledge that. why did she use the title? >> i think this is extremely appropriate. it's very courageous of her to be this respectful of him. that's the title that he want to be addressed by. it's simply a matter of respect on her part to do that, and i think it's a very good idea for her to personalize it using his full name and title and just being this respectful. >> why is it important to personalize it? >> because then she becomes a person and the entire issue of is she an honorable person and federal honor in the family flows from her to her son, then that's appropriate, so she's trying to be a very honorable person and a very respec