that's because fbi director chris wray as we speak, look at the live shot, getting ready to testify to house judiciary committee almost certainly going to be asked about those cyber attacks believed to be carried out by russian criminal gangs including the newest one that forced the world's biggest meat supplier to temporarily shut down last week as the company overnight is revealing it did pay the ransom to those hackers, $11 million. we are watching to see if the fbi director may talk about companies paying ransom. the u.s. government recommendation that they do not do so, leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill. we're joined by msnbc contributor chuck rosenberg, former fbi official and u.s. attorney and lee ann, this wray testimony is significant for a couple reasons. it's the first time we're hearing from him since the ransomware attacks we mentioned and if we look at that live shot you saw he is there and he hasn't started speaking yet. number two, it's his first time in front of any lawmakers since that senate report on january 6th came out, lee ann? >> that's right, hallie. we don

that urgent message from the head of the fbi, chris wray, today adding his voice to the alarm being sounded by the biden administration over the growing ransomware attacks here and around the world. there are a lot of parallels, wray told the "wall street journal." the scale of this problem is one that i think the country has to come to terms with. >> we are worries that some people will get hurt, especially when you consider all these incidents affecting health care. >> health care, schools and most recently the colonial pipeline and jbs foods, which is the biggest meat producer in the world. those attacks caused gas shortages and beef plants to shut down. >> i think this is going to be an ongoing struggle, increasing threat, increasing defenses. to the extent this counter terrorism analogy works, that's another way in which this will be a long-term fight. >> reporter: the justice department announced thursday it will implement practices used for terrorism cases, telling prosecutors to share more information and coordinate efforts on ransomware attacks which is when hackers take control of

here's what chris wray said about this in march. >> is there any evidence at all that it was organized or planned or carried out by groups like antifa or black lives matter? >> we have not seen any evidence to that effect thus far. >> so number seven, the theory that fake trump supporters attended the rally. here's fbi director chris wray at the same march senate hearing. >> do you have any evidence it was organized by, quote, fake trump protesters? >> we have not seen evidence of that at this stage. >> lastly, don't call it an insurrection. republican kentucky congressman thomas massey who was among a group of republican lawmakers who this week voted against a measure that would award congressional gold medals to members of the capitol police and the d.c. metropolitan police for the bravery saying, if they just wanted to give the police recognition, they could have done it without trying to make it partisan. without sticki ing that in ther. and that is reality. he's talking about the word insurrection. defined by meriam webster as an act or instance of revolting against civil authorit

what are you looking for today from director chris wray on capitol hill? what are you hoping he'll say? >> well i just think he needs to answer questions about what intelligence the fbi had and what they did with it. we know there was this one report from the knorr foll norf office that made its way to the capitol police and to how they were treating the threats, and now this coordinated strategy. especially since they have aware of this growing domestic terrorism threat. if they didn't have intelligence in their possession, why not? i think he's a little bit between a rock and a hard place because if they knew something, why wasn't it aggressively acted on. if they didn't know something, how is that possible because it was happening over a long period of time in many open channels. so that's what i'm looking for is the answer to how they were treating this threat in the months leading up to january 6th. >> let's talk about this plan that the attorney general unveiled today four tiers, four pillars as jessica said. let's put the full screen back up. one fo

alex, to begin first, chris wray, he had experience in responding to 9/11. so he makes this comparison in no light way. tell us how he compares this threat to the threat from terrorism post 9/11. >> he's talking about how, you know, the country is now having to figure out how to deal with the fallout from these types of attacks and raise comments really punctuate what a national security threat this is. we have ransom ware attackers going after some of the biggest companies that make up part of the country's critical infrastructure. we've just been talking for the past few weeks about the attack on the colonial pipeline which caused gas shortages and gas prices to spike, long lines at gas stations. in the past few days we've seen this attack on jbs foods, one of the biggest food production companies in the world. the fact is there are a lot of other attacks on parts of the critical infrastructure that really don't get as much attention. attacks on hospitals. attacks on schools. and it really has become a plague. this is something that's happening on a daily

fact that's a real thing, is that what chris wray was warning about? is that what we have to fear in 2024? >> yeah, not only not gone away with trump leaving office, it has gotten worse and emboldened trump and those around him who is talking about coming back into power magically in august. they think can happen, we better pay attention. chris wray said what happened was domestic terrorism. 25 years in fbi, here's how you deal with domestic terrorism threat, any terrorism threat, dismantle the leadership structure, and headed to 500 indictments, fantastic, seeing conspiracy charges but can't stop there. they have to dismantle the leadership structure, if that means sitting members of congress or people in trump's circle like rudy giuliani or trump himself, so be it. it will not go away if they keep inspiring and mentoring others. >> roger stone used oathkeepers as bodyguards, donald trump claimed by proud boys who think he's their leader and when he said stand back and stand by, he's giving them orders and leader said he got tour of the white house. d

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that urgent message from the head of the fbi, chris wray.oday adding his voice to the alarm being sounded by the biden administration over the growing ransomware attacks here and around the world. there are a lot of parallels, wray told "the wall street journal." the scale of this problem is one that i think the country has to come to terms with. >> before long we are worried that some people will get hurt, especially when we consider all these incidents that are affecting health care. >> reporter: health care, schools and most recently the colonial pipeline and jbs foods, which is the biggest meat producer in the world. those two recent attacks caused gas shortages and beef plants to shut down. >> i think this is going to be an ongoing struggle. increasing threat, increasing defenses. and to the extent again that this counterterrorism analogy works, that's another way in which this will be a long-term fight. >> reporter: the justice department announced thursday it will implement practices used for terrorism cases, telling prosecutors to sh

chris christopher wray compares the spike in cyber attacks to the wakeup call on 9/11. hiring is way up but still short of expectations. what it means for the covid recovery and the big biden agenda. big republican drama. donald trump gives a big political speech tomorrow. mike pence made one last night and made a clear break from his former boss over the capitol insurrection. >> president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office. i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. but i will always be proud of what we accomplished for the american people over the last four years. >> let's begin right there. the former vice president drawing his line in the battle now consuming the republican party. how to characterize the insurrection and whether to side with trump in insisting the 2020 election was stolen and joe biden is an illegitimate president. for all his praise last night this is a clean break. >> january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. thanks to the swift action of the capitol police and federal law enforcement,

. >> number 6 conspiracy theory, members of left wing group, here's what fbi director chris wray toldjudicial committee about this in march. >> is there any evidence at all that it was planned or organized or carrying out by antifa or black lives matter? >> we have not seen any evidence to that effect thus far. >> number 7, fake trump supporters attended the rally. here's fbi director christopher wray at the same march senate hearing. >> do you have any if evidence that the capitol attack was organized by fake trump protesters? >> we have not seenest of that at this stage. >> and lastly don't call it an insurrection. republican thomas massie who voted against a measure to award congressional gold medals to members of the capitol police and metropolitan police for their bravery said if they wanted the recognition, they could do it without being partisan, sticking that in there. by "that," he means the truth, the insurrection, defined by merriam-webster. here's mere of the harrowing video of that day. what else would you call it? >> joining us now a former senator. congressman, thanks s

chris wray, we need to expand the fbi so they can keep order in chicago.>> also tucker, i need office time every day. >> tucker: every day! tell me that 14 more times and i will believe you. with an exclamation point dear candace owens, great to see you. we are not overstating in any way the severity of the situation in chicago, which is a core american city. no offense. it's not some other cities. it's a real city, it is one of the cities that built this country, it's a beautiful city with great people in it. and it's actually falling apart. we did a documentary for fox nation, tucker carlson original where we got hundreds and hundreds of never before seen hours of surveillance footage of the streets of chicago. some of it is too graphic to play. fox nation is just one place where there is no censorship at all. so we recommend if you're interested in what is happening in chicago, taking a look at our documentary. there is a lot there, by the way, on fox nation. well, we are just starting to learn some of the side effects that may be caused by the coronavi

is that what chris wray is saying to policy makers.re symmetrical responses that clint is talking about? >> i'm not sure i'm hearing that right now out of the fbi, and believe me, you know, clint, i share your frustration. i have been right there. i think we've got to be very very careful in how we select from our menu of options in terms of responses here. you know, fundamentally, russia does not have the same dependencies on the negotiable economy, nor the internet that we do. we live in one of the glassiest of houses around, and this is what clint's talking about when, you know, the policy makers kind of blink a little bit, based on how vulnerable we are here. the russians are well aware of our capabilities. they know what we're able to do to them. we have just held back on a range of fronts, and i think that's where we need to step up. we need to make putin blink. we need to hit his pain points. that includes financially, that includes his oligarch friends. you know, they own football clubs in london. we should have a conversation

that urgent message from the head of the fbi chris wray adding his voice to the alarm being sounded byhe biden administration over the growing ransomware attacks here and around the world. a lot of parallels wray told "the wall street journal." the scale of this problem is one i think the country has to come to terms with. >> before long we are worried some people will get hurt and especially when all of these incidents that are affecting health care. >> reporter: health care, schools and, most recently, the colonial pipeline and jbs foods, which is the biggest meat producer in the world. those two recent attacks caused gas shortages and beef plants to shut down. >> i think the country does face some existential risks to its critical infrastructure and economical well-and individuals' pri privacy. >> the justice department announced thursday it will implement practices used for terrorism cases telling prosecutors to share more information and coordinate efforts on ransomware attacks when hackers take control of a network and hold it hostage demanding money. the attacks and amount paid

that you aurgent message from t head of the fbi, chris wray. today, adding his voice to the alarm being sounded by the biden administration over the growing ransomware attacks here and around the world. there are a lot of parallels, wray told "the wall street journal." the scale of this problem is one that, i think, the country has to come to terms with. >> before long, we are worried that some people will get hurt. especially, when we consider all these incidents that are affecting healthcare. >> reporter: healthcare, schools, and most recently, the colonial pipeline and jbs foods, which is the biggest meat producer in the world. those two recent attacks caused gas shortages, and beef plants to shut down. >> i think the country does face some really existential risks to its critical infrastructure, its economic wellbeing, its secures of technology and individuals' privacy. so i think it's critical that people understand how far reaching this risk really is. >> reporter: the justice department announced thursday it will implement practices used

. >> chris wray did talk about the fbi and how it deals with ransomware attacks.e private companies pay ransom. jbs, the meat processing company, we now know paid $11 million in ransom, and they're telling these corporations not to do it, or if they do, let the federal government know. that's not happening practically. >> some of them, unfortunately, have decided to pay the ransomware. i think director wray rightly said these companies should be reaching out as early as possible whenever they're going to be hacked. working with the fbi to see what can be done that would, in fact, be able to address the issue without having to pay ransom. but i do think that the continued payments of these ransoms are just encouraging other groups to continue to carry out these ransomware attacks because they're doing it for financial reasons. this is something that i know that the bureau, as well as other federal governments and agencies, want to see an end to. >> john brennan and pete williams, my thanks to the both of you. >>> meantime the head of the local police union is calli

chris wray told the wall street journal the bureau is investigating about 100 different types of ransomware. many tracing back to hackers in russia, and compared to the current spate of cyberattacks the challenge posed by the september 11th terrorist attacks. white house says putin will hear from biden about the cyberattack during their geneva summit later this month. the nation's former cybersecurity chief says that discussion is long overdue. >> we need to make putin blink, we need to hit his pain points. we could turn the screws on him, we chose to not do that. >> the capital was the stage for the culmination of a two-year legal battle as former trump white house counsel don mcgahn appeared before the house judiciary committee. better late than never to testify about trump's effort to obstruct robert mueller's inquiry. a miracle we try to get mcgahn to fire mueller but he refused. the four subpoenaed mcgahn in 2019, a deal the biden administration led to today's interview. a transcript of what he said won't be made public before next week, one lawmaker who heard what mcgahn said describe

that urgent message from the head of the fbi, chris wray, today adding his voice to the alarm soundedbiden administration over the growing ransomware attacks here and around the world. there are a lot of parallels, wray told "the wall street journal." the scale of this problem is one that i think the country has to come to terms with. >> we are worried that some people will get hurt. especially considering all the incidents affecting health care. >> health care, schools and most recently the colonial pipeline and jbs foods, which is the biggest meat producer in the world. the two recent attacks caused gas shortages and beef plants to shut down. >> i think the country faces existential ricks to infrastructure, economic wellbeing, securing of technologies and individual privacy. i think it's critical that people understand how far-reaching this risk is. >> the justice department announced thursday it will implement practices used for terrorism cases, telling prosecutors to share more information and coordinate efforts on ransomware attacks which is when hackers take control of a network

now we know why we didn't see fbi director chris wray in public on january 6. he was obviously busy applying his face paint and shining up his helmet horns. i wouldn't have guessed it about the chest hair. you never know. clearly, i'm no expert. on that side of american politics, on the republican side, that has kind of been the determining thing. this new thing where they pretend their one-term president was the victim of a hoax election. he is the real president. he has to be reinstatreinstated. anything is justified. that strangeness external to the election of president biden, that has on the right, that has shaped the 150 days for the republican party in ways small and weird and large and weird, including republicans nationwide to restrict voting rights. on the pretext of these baseless claims there was wrong with the voting in the last election. more on that in a moment. i think that's been -- in the 150 days, that dynamic in the republican party and on the right has been the sort of driving force. on the other side, on the democratic side, the thing exte

that urgent message from the head of the fbi, chris wray, today adding his voice to the alarm being sounded by the biden administration over the growing ransomware attacks here and around the world. there are a lot of parallels, wray told "the wall street journal." the scale of this problem is one, that i think the country has to come to terms with. >> worried that some people will get hurt, especially when we consider all these incidents that are affecting healthcare. >> reporter: healthcare, schools, and most recently, the colonial pipeline and jbs foods, which is the biggest meat producer in the world. those two recent attacks caused gas shortages, and beef plants to shut down. >> i think this is going to be an ongoing struggle. of increasing threat. increasing defenses. and to the extent, again, that this counterterrorism analogy works, that is another way in which this will be a long-term fight. >> reporter: the justice department announced, thursday, it will implement practices used for terrorism cases. telling prosecutors, to share more information and coordinate efforts on ransomwar

when you hear people like merrick garland or chris wray talk about domestic violent extremists are thegest threat to the country. they are talking about trump supporters. they are not talking about people who are terrorizing regular americans in inner cities every single day or the ones who destroyed businesses and property throughout 2020. they are talking about people who dare to walk in to the capitol on january 6th. should they have been there? i guess not. they were told not to be there. but they didn't -- most people did not -- they didn't touch anyone. they didn't attack a police officer. they didn't vandalize anything. they left, but this is what our top law enforcement agency is obsessed with. and it's really. >> will: right. >> to your point, will, this is what people are recognizing. >> will: this a defense of the rule of law. defense of concept of justice system that applies to everyone. julie, you know, there are defendants in this accused of crimes will arrested not let out pre-trial. those usually are reserved for people who are flight risks or extremely violent offender

and they want to hear it as soon as possible, because in the words of chris wray, the fbi director, whoalked to the "wall street journal" last week, he said there are things the fbi maybe able to do. in some instances come up with a dekripgs to stapp you from having to pay the ransom. that's exceedingly, exceedingly rare. i don't know very often the fbi has been able to use decrypten to do that. but it offers a way. if you're using a cryptocurrency that the fbi has ability to track you can do this where they can at least use their own methods to make sure they know where the money is going, try to identify who the owners of this cryptocurrency wallet is and seize the money before the criminals can get away with it. it's an extraordinary resolution in this case. >> we were just having this conversation with andrew mccabe about what the fisher can do. >> moments ago. >> to discourage this from happening in the future. >> i was watching. >> you were watching, yes. he said the fisher obviously has an investigative role after the fact. but when the money is pulled back, that's obviously a de

>> well, this is the reason that it is so frustrating that chris wray have not answered and lawmakers that is why they want a commission. and there are failures on the capitol police and others, but they would not get the information from the fbi. they have not opened up the books here, and what they knew, and why they did not consider it actionable. it is a fair point that a lot of people say things on social media that they don't mean, but looking at collectively all of the postings about the capitol and violence and people say that was a signal that they should have at least used to beef up the security around the capitol, geoff. >> thank you, ken dilanian. appreciate you as always. >>> and coming up, the covid commission, and a call by two senators to investigate the pandemic. >>> later after a season lost to the pandemic, summer camps are back, but the reopenings are not without challenges. stay with us. allenges. stay with us. neither are resilient people. there's strength in every family story. learn more about yours. at ancestry. shingles? camera man: yeah, 1 out of 3 people g

>> here's my take on this, look, chris wray testified publicly on the hill what happened january 6th domestic terrorism. what have we learned from our experience with international terrorism? in order to address that problem of arresting low-level operatives is merely a speed bump, not a road block. in order to really tackle terrorism, and this time domestically, you've got to attack and dismantle the command-and-control element of a terrorist group. i know this is painful to hear, that may mean people sitting in congress right now, people in and around the former president. that's how you do this. otherwise recruitment inciting and cult-like leadership continues to recruit people to violence. >> so, we know there's going to be another vote but will there be a new urgency for it, maybe get police officers to testify in a senate committee? something that at least changes the conversation and makes it maybe that much harder for your roy blunts, who i think is in this mushy middle, if it wasn't for mitch mcconnell asking them to do a favor, that they would vote for this commission? >> r

now we know why we didn't see fbi director chris wray and you are in public on january 6th during the attack. he was busy applying his face paint and shining up his helmet horns. i wouldn't have guessed it by the chest hair. you never know. clearly i'm no expert. on that side of american politics and governance on the republican side that has kind of been the determinative thing. this new thing they're trying on where they pretend they are one-term president was the victim of an elaborate hoax election and he's the real president has to be reinstated. anything is justified in the pursuit of that because it's such -- all right. that strangeness external to the election of president biden, that has on the right really shaped these 150 days for the republican party in ways small and weird and large and weird including republicans nationwide concerted efforts since the election to restrict voting rights. because on the pretext of these totally baseless claims there was something wrong with the voting in the last election and we will have more on that in just a moment. that's been in the 1

ransomware attack originated from a criminal organization in russia, a warning from fbi director chris wrayho says that the fbi is investigating roughly 100 different ransomware variants as they grapple with a wave of cyberattacks. in a new interview, wray compared the urgent national security threat to the september 11th terror attacks. tom costello has more. >> reporter: amid growing cyberattacks against tv stations, food supplier, water systems and all levels of government, the fbi confirms to nbc news it is investigating 100 different types of ransomware attacks. >> we can cannot give any quarter and no kuchb should be harboring criminal actors of any type. >> reporter: and ibm runs a constant cyber expert assessment and blaming revil is response for the attack on jbs. revealing glimpse of the online negotiations between hackers and victims, companies and charities, large and small. and in one exchange, a company pleads, my bosses have told me that they can offer $73,000, they said if we had to pay any higher, we would not be able to pay our employees. the hackers response, provide supp

testifying today, we've got fbi director chris wray, u.s.and general charles flynn. he's also the brother of trump's former national security advisor, qanon supporter michael flynn. >> and newly released emails show just how far former president trump and his allies went to try to overturn the 2020 election results. the emails, released by democrats on the house oversight committee, show many examples of president trump and his allies pressuring the acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen, to consider these false and outlandish fraud claims. at one point, trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, tried to arrange a meeting between rosen, the fbi, and trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, to talk about a conspiracy theory that italian satellites somehow changed votes to biden. rosen refused that meeting. meadows even sent rosen a youtube clip about those satellites. rosen forwarded that to his deputy attorney general, who called it, quote, pure insanity. so, let's bring in texas congresswoman sheila jackson lee. she joins us now. she's a member of the

the fbi director chris wray called it domestic terrorism. and look, we have experience in terrorism. we have on the international side. we know that to battle terrorism, what you need to do is not just keep arresting the lower level operatives. we're doing great at that, right? the numbers are climbing closer and closer to 500. we're seeing conspiracy charges. but if you're going to battle its call terrorism, you need to dismantle the command and control structure. the command and control structure for what happened on january six may well be the orbit around trump, and trump himself. and if that means sitting numbers of congress need to be held accountable, they must be held accountable. that has to happen fast. on the global front, the hacks keep coming. and look, people say well russia always hacked us. yes indeed. but there's been a shift, brian, from hacking government agencies like solar winds. and the american public kind of shrugs. and now what's being hacked? our food supply, our fuel supply. americans care about that. and putin kno

fbi director chris wray told "the wall street journal" the bureau is, quote, investigating about 100 different types of ransom ware, many tracing back to hackers in russia. and compared to the current spate of cyber attacks with the challenge posed by the september 11th terrorist attacks. white house says putin will hear from biden about the cyber attacks during their geneva summit later this monthch the nation's former cyber security chief says that discussion is long overdue. >> we need to make putin blink. we need to hit his pain points. we could turn the screws on. we've just chosen in the past not to. >> today the capitol was the stage for the culmination of a two-year legal battle as former trump white house counsel don mebegan appeared before the judicial committee to testify about trump's effort to obstruct robert mueller's inquiry. house democrats first subpoenaed mcgahn back in 2019. a transcript of what he said won't be made public until next week. >> he's bringing to life volume two of the mueller report, the turbulent times in the white house with the president aobsessed

time that meadows did try to slow down and so for instance, the former president tried to fire chris wrayuding over the course of the last year. meadows did play a role in slowing that down. on the other hand -- and meadows played a role in trying to slow down president trump's efforts to hire sidney powell in an official kpas capacity, in the house. the lawyer with outlandish conspiracies and meadows did turn toward january 6th as a possible date where something could be different and so i think that trying to figure out where exactly he came down in all of this is an open question and seeing him pressuring the doj, you know, seeing that in writing i think is very telling. >> yeah. maggie haberman, appreciate it. thanks. >>> now to new concerns about the coronavirus just as california becomes the latest and biggest state to drop covid regulations and reopen. the cdc today has issued a new warning for the entire country, calling one strain of the coronavirus, quote, a variant of concern. what this means essentially is that covid vaccines and therapies may not be as effective against the d

>> i think there is no doubt chris wray had it correct that this is a threat overall equivalent to or probably greater than 9/11. it comes in a lot of different forms. some cyber attacks really are acts of war. i think russian efforts to interfere in our election are a war against the constitution. then there are others that are intelligence operations, intelligence gathering, or clandestine. then there is another category of criminal activity. some of it is state sponsored. some of it just by good old fashioned criminals. there's cyber vandalism. then there is just mischief. we need better thinking to understand the nature of the threats and therefore what the responses are. but the greatest threats come from state actors. and we've seen over the past decade a huge amount of interference with our information technology and computer systems. you know, we've gotten very reliant on them. they are enormously convenient. they vastly increase productivity. but they've left us at risk. we have ignored the problem for far too long. >> so when you say we've ignored the problem, you were aware

there were a lot of folks who wanted him to fire chris wray. was he looking over his shoulder knowing if he was more forceful about this, if he did raise the alarm, he might be out of a job? that's certainly possible. and that's another reason we need another january 6th commission. only something like that, we'll get to the truth, these very dramatic signals were missed and ignored. >> i have another question for you. i was hearing the same thing. every law enforcement friend i have, every person was saying be careful. don't be in d.c. around january 6th. i was hearing that and i'm here talking on tv and everyone understood that something bad was going to happen. i can only imagine if black lives matter activists were saying that, even they're going to be somewhere, they're going to protest peacefully somewhere. the amount of armament there. the. a tanks there, the amount of police there, unmarked police throwing people into cars. just because black lives matter says they're coming somewhere. it is hard to accept that there's nothing anyone in

. >>> fbi director chris wray in the hot seat fielding questions from both parties, especially on therelated to that riot but he specifically stressed the enormity of the investigation. more than 500 arrests have been made so far, almost none of the charged insurrectionists were under investigation before the riot. >> we are treating it as an act of domestic terrorism, and investigating it through our joint terrorism task force and we are, as you know, now in the midst of bringing any number of conspiracy charges which are particularly serious, but this is a very ongoing investigation and there's a lot more to come and i would expect to see more charges. some of them may be more serious charges. >> so what about all these recent cyber attacks? wray also said companies should not be paying ransom to hackers. colonial pipeline and jbs, however, did pay over millions of dollars. the list of companies that have been hacked grows by the day. now it's one of the world's biggest video game publishers, electronic arts and cox media group which is still recovering after being hit with a cyber

chris wray told the house judiciary committee that the investigation is still ongoing and that he expects more charges, some of them serious, to be filed. as for whether the former president will face charges for his role in the insurrection, here's what he had to say. >> i asked if you referred these actions or these other -- you're the investigatory agency, to the department of justice. donald trump's action's, words, deeds on that day? >> i'm not aware of any investigation that specifically goes to that, but we have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of investigations related to january 6th involving lots and lots of different pieces of it and i want to be careful. >> all right. >>> still ahead, we're going to have much more on the start of the g-7 when "the washington post's" david ignatius joins us. plus, the cdc plans an emergency meeting to discuss a rare heart issue among some who have received covid vaccinations. we'll have those stories and a check on your weather when we come right back. ack. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture, now might not be

investigation over sex trafficking allegations involving a minor sent a letter to fbi director chris wray. he sent him a letter asking how many fbi agents were at the capitol during the siege. this is making something completely up and then telling people that they have to prove that you're wrong as opposed to telling you you're crazy. officers did not lie in wait planning to execute innocent bystanders. there was violence. it was perpetrated by the people there, the rioters. some of whom had weapons including metal pipes. they were the violent ones, not the officers trying to defend those in congress and the capitol has. marshall cohen is out front in washington. what more are you learning about this new video, this horrible video involving that metal pole and the charges against the rioter in it. >> erin, good evening. this video came out today because cnn and other news outlets were pushing in court for the doj to release videos like these from the capitol riot. you're seeing it right now. the guy who will come on your screen in the red jacket. prosecutors say that he is thomas webster

networks that fuel these attacks >> this morning in the "wall street journal" we saw the fbi director, chris wrayare in right now to 9/11. do you agree with that comparison how does it shake out for you? >> i absolutely agree that we need to treat ransomware and cyberattacks like the national security threat that they are. that's why we're taking the steps that we are across the department, indeed, across the government we need to have a national picture and we need to bring all of our tools to bear here at the department of justice, our job, of course, is to enforce the law and to protect americans against threats from all types, and today that means the exponential rice in ransomware attacks that means telling corporate america and those who head organizations of all stripes what they can do and what they should be doing to address this threat >> what does the u.s. government know about who is doing this there are bad guys on the other side of the keyboard that might be in russia or another state. does u.s. law enforcement or intelligence know where these guys are and where they live >> we know

. >> fbi director chris wray compares ransomware attacks to 9/11, do you think this is now the biggestthere bigger things that you should be worried about, ben? >> i think it's one of several threats but here's how i'd put it, alex. the cyber attacks matter a lot because they can disrupt the american economy as well as proposing a national security vulnerability and again, part of what i do in this book is try to talk about why democracies and recession around the world and a big part of that is vladimir putin and i spent a lot of time on this and he is waging a multi-front effort and in many ways an asymmetric world, and cyber attacks are a part of that. disinformation campaigns are a part of that, intimidation is a part of that. the airline we saw diverted to belarus and the opposition will be detained and coerced there in some type of stalinist confession is a part of that. this is a multi-faceted picture of a man seeking to underline the american democracy and the united states has to be similarly comprehensive in our response and yes, hardening our cyber defense is working more wi

fbi director chris wray testifying on capitol hill. now, this is the first time that he is speaking in this forum, pressed adversarily by senators since that report came out we brought you on the january 6th riot. there was quite the political on display, even though their job would be to just focus on the safety and security of the capitol. you think that would be hopefully the kind of thing that people could get behind regardless of party, but that wasn't the case. democrats pressed on why the fbi wasn't also investigating donald trump. also pressing why the fbi is part of an independent doj investigation that has touched on donald trump's lawyer rudy giuliani. >> have any of these words been reviewed to determine whether or not president trump's words should be referred to the department of justice as contributing to the violence of the insurrection on january 6th? >> i'm not aware of any investigation that goes specifically that. >> did you sign off on the raid on mayor giuliani's apartment? >> did you sign off on this specific fbi

maga cheerleaders taking turns questioning fbi director chris wray today in a house judiciary committee hears and while democrats pressed wray on the january 6th insurrection, a blatant attempt at destroying our democracy, the top rb, jim jordan used his time to whine about cancel culture and disgrace the ex-president's disgraced tv lawyer rudy guiliani while matt gaetz, remains on the judiciary committee, despite being investigated for alleged sex trafficking of a teenager by the fbi ho should probably be answering questions what role he played in whipping up the insurrection. instead got to question the fbi director, too. of course, it's hardly surprising that the republicans on the committee would avoid questions about the insurrection, given that another member, arizona republican andy biggs was named by the organizer of the rally that preceded the siege. alexander, one of the people who helped plan it. remains on the run gommar. >> january 5th talking to capitol police officers and said, you know, let's face it. most of the conservatives that come, they don't have any intention of

they became so frequent that fbi director chris wray likened the threat to the one we faced after 9/11ocus on disruption and prevention. in fact, karine jean-pierre said the white house is delivering the message that responsible states do not honor ransomware to criminals. joining me now, the author of the new book "after the fall: being american in the world we made." and i want to get your response not only to the tact that the biden administration is taking but to what putin is saying back, this is what he said, deny any involvement in the ransomware attack. there hasn't been any malicious russian activity whatsoever. i heard something about the meat plant. it's sheer nonsense. we understand it's just ridiculous, a pipeline? absurd. typical putin, i assume. >> yes, joy, there's an element of trolling in all of these comments putin gives. look, first of all, given russia's own sophistication in the cyber domain, the idea that they wouldn't necessarily be witting of what people were doing in their borders or have the capacity to stop it, i don't think anybody should believe that. and

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the fbi director, chris wray, singled out russia as one of many known users of ransomware, saying if the russian government wants to show it is serious about this issue, there is room to demonstrate progress that we are not seeing now. mr. wray has six years remaining in his term and the white house plans to keep him in his post as fbi director. from maryland, good morning. caller: good morning. can you hear me ok? host: sure can. caller: the payments made to these companies, this ransom -- these ransomware attacks, are made in bitcoins. that is something we should stop participating in, the bitcoin market. host: thank you. our phone lines are open. (202) 748-8000 in the eastern half of the country. out west, (202) 748-8001. another 15 minutes in the first hour of the washington journal. later, susan ferrechio joining us to talk about the week ahead in congress. the house is in recess. the senate gavels in this afternoon. live coverage on c-span2. more from the sunday shows with former secretary of state condoleezza rice, now the director of the hoover institution, asked on face the

the -- the staggering thing, nicolle, just yesterday there was a congressman who asked director chris wray putin's mouth today. any american who is looking at this saying we are there these extreme members mimicking and parroting the same things we're hearing out of an antagonistic putin? the counter to that is, this does present the opportunity to make points about alexei navalny, human rights in russia, to have fantastic american journalistic work holding him to account why each of his opponents seem to fall out of a window or end up dead. there are advantages to this dialogue. >> you know, i had this thought, rick stengel, to pete's point, he was humiliated by these reporters. she's saying are you so politically impotent and weak that you can't win with your dissidents and political detractors roaming free, you have to have them in jail and poisoned. in some ways that was a more brutal slap in the face than anything that can happen in the diplomatic sphere. >> i agree. let's be honest about this now, right? russia has an economy the size of italy. the economy of texas is bigger than rus

and this is why chris wray was sounding the alarm to congress. here what happens he had to say.f them venezuelan. and the way they reach them is social media. no surprise. multiple reports coming out that on facebook these smugglers, these cartels are advertise tooing routes they can take. prices for their journey to the u.s. and then the cartels will hit them up for more money when they get here. >> we estimate the cartels are making $25,000 a week right now moving people through the del rio sector. they charge by demographic. by nationality, so, everyone has to pay a different fee. but everybody has to pay. griff: everybody pays and that's just humans. look at cbp putting out the seizures since october 1st. this fiscal year more than 60,000 drug seized. fentanyl and cocaine seizures already exceed that of last year. there are four more months to go in this fiscal year. all of this comes as the governor, greg abbott says that he is going to build his own wall. he has got to get this crisis under control. he allocated a billion dollars for that fight. and dhs meanwhile announces

chris christopher wray compares the spike in cyber attacks to the wakeup call on 9/11. means for the covid recovery and the big biden agenda. big republican drama. donald trump gives a big political speech tomorrow. mike pence made one last night and made a clear

chris, director wray is making this parallel, likening these attacks to terror attacks.t assessment? >> well, i certainly think that it's important that the fbi elevate the priority of tackling ransomware gangs akin to the terrorist threat of 9/11. i think that's in part what you're hearing here. at the same time, you're seeing the deputy national security advisor, the deputy attorney general, the secretary of homeland, all making a very clear statement that ransomware is a top priority for this administration. >> director clapper, the 9/11 commission report, there were failures leading up to the attacks, one of the biggest the failure of imagination. is our government failing again on that front? are they doing enough? >> i don't think there's a failure of imagination here. the intelligence community has long identified hacktivists and criminals as a problem. dan coats did when he was dni. i think, though, that what has been in the past considered an annoyance or irritation has now risen to the level of a genuine national security threat. when we've seen recent demonstr

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intentionally rammed by vehicle, killed by gunfire or stabbed is up 40% so far this year over last year and chris wraydie in the line of duty, facing the inherent dangers that you guys do. >> yeah, you know, i'll never forget an appearance i did on this show, where ainsley, actually asked me a question about, sadly, one of these stories. i wish we never had to talk about these stories again, about police officers being killed, right? but we were on about one of those topics and i said to ainsley, think about this , being a former cop, i get a text from a friend, probably twice a year, saying to me hey, remember officer x whatever their name is yeah, either they were shot and killed or they were hurt or run over or they got in a really bad fight in the street while, you know, going to respond to a 911 call and i said to ainsley, imagine that being your job, god forbid, at fox, where you get a text twice a year, and they say hey, you know , brian or steve got beat up in the streator god forbid got shot in the line of duty and you'd be like that's the craziest thing i ever heard. no it's not that's what

just this past week, over the weekend, you heard fbi director chris wray say, we're going to treat ransomware the way we dealt with terrorists after 9/11. we got a wake-up call and we'll be aggressive using a government approach. you're like, okay, look at these cyber weapons. do we want to utilize them against these actors? will it have an effect? and if it does, will they be capable? will our sponsors punch back and what does that involve? i think there is a lot of questions about how to go after these folks. what is clear is there is a variety of things you need to do. governments have to work together, companies have to work together, because we can't expect people to work with the nation states. these criminal hackers games are increasingly having national capabilities. the idea that one company gets it is ineffective. >> our top cybersecurity ransomware attacks. if you want to join the conversation, you can do so. republicans 2242-748-7471. we talked about your work at george mason university. talk about your background in public service and your expertise in this area. >> thanks for th