>> lots of people believe in jesus christ, it is what you believe about jesus christ that determinesther or not you are going to heaven or hell when you die. the bible says whoever calls upon the name of the lord will be saved. i don't think that anyone goes to heaven or hell in a group. we all go individually based on what we have decided to do with jesus christ as our savior. it is mitt romney is a mormon and embraces the mormon faith, mormonism is not christianity. mormons have said all along that they were not a part of historic christianity. they say that the christian church was corrupt from the time of the apostles. 1829 when joseph smith came. they have never embraced historical christianity by their own admission. >> what will happen to mr. romney when he dies? >> i have no idea. if he is trusted in jesus christ, the jesus christ of the bible, to save him from his sins, he will be in heaven. if he has stressed it in some other god or no god, he will spend eternity separated from god. all of us are sinners, not just mormons, baptist, anglicans. we have all sinned. we have all

♪ ♪ late jesus christ ♪ they leave jesus christ in his grave ♪ ♪ [applause] that song was indeed writtenp and the government resources were being redirected to concentrate on the increasingly shall we say global issues, and so it is the bitter cold and new years of 1940 woody guthrie decided to make new york city his home and he is hitchhiking north and east out of texas and seemed on every car radio and every roadhouse jukebox he hears what appears to him to be the latest self righteous complacent patriotic author from tin pan alley. this is 3940. kate smith singing god bless america. now, there are two ways of reading the song. you could read it as the servant and fearful hope of a russian jewish immigrant to the united states who was watching nervously the rise of fascism in europe and praying that it will not hear. that's one way of reading it. it is and how woody is all this. he saw it as yet another unbelievable assertions from the industry that there could possibly be an on merkley solution to the earthly problems. he hated this song so much that he sat down and wrote an angry son

searching for victims how victims of the war in bosnia are finding hope and healing through jesus christ. welcome everyone to "christian world news." i am wendy griffith, george thomas is on vacation. president obama's announcement that all u.s. troops will be out of iraq by the end of year is getting mixed reviews. many with ties to the military are grateful, it is not unanimous. some fear iran will gain greter influence over that country. mark martin reports. >> reporter: troops in iraq will become more frequent. some troops had been away more than a year, many on third or fourth deployment. in san diego military families are looking forward to military families coming home. some are cautiously optimistic and weary of politics. >> republican presidential candidates have serious reservations of pulling out the remaining troops. >> this administration has telegraphed its intentions all too often and that is just not acceptable. >> some of the toughest words came last night at an iowa conservative faith forum from newt gingrich. >> after eight lives, thousands of lives, hundreds of billio

hard-working man and brave ♪ ♪ he set to the rich area goods out with the poor so they lay jesus christo they called jesus christ on the sly ♪ ♪ jest was a man and a carpenter by the hand with followers true and brave ♪ ♪ but that dirty little coward that they called judas escariot, well, he laid jesus christ in his grave ♪ ♪ and people held their breath when they learned about his death ♪ ♪ and everybody wondered why ♪ it was the landlords and the lawyers and the soldiers that he hired ♪ ♪ that nailed jesus christ in the sky ♪ ♪ oh, this song was written down in new york city ♪ ♪ of rich men and preacher and slave ♪ ♪ and if jesus preached today like he preached in galilee ♪ ♪ they would lay jesus in his grave ♪ ♪ jesus was a carpenter by hand with followers true and brave ♪ ♪ but that dirty little coward that they call judas escariot, he lay jesus christ in his grave ♪ ♪ now there's a unrecorded verse it's written down in woodie's book hard hitting songs for hard hitting people, never recorded ♪ ♪ now if the love of the poor should one day turn to hate, and the patience of the workers

people like pastor youssef and others are putting their life on the line for jesus christ. more muslims are coming to christ but it is not enough. that zone is such a dangerous zone. i don't have influence ultimately over what united states and israeli government does in that corridor. if we mobilize the church to do what our job is fearlessly proclaim the gospel and make discipl disciples, this is the key for this moment in history. >>> up next, faith in fin lan land, a media media caaign is impacted the gospel. >> in one of europe's northern most cities, conversations on the street recently turned to jesus christ and his power to change lives. in new that was the message of a month-long media campaign in finland where protestant nation has been on the decline. now signs of a downward trend maybe reversing. stan jeter has the story. >> in downtown hillsinki carried church-sponsored ads prompting a city-wide discussion. it even had the secular media talking. in new they are asking why are the churches coming out in such force and through such visibility? what is the message

smith claimed he saw god and christ in pal mi are a, new york.owers fled persecution and settled in utah. presidents of the church are considered prophets of god. mormons believe in christ and god and they do consider themselves christians. the pastor, pastor jeffress backing perry says basically americans should not vote for romney because of his mormon faith. >>> another gop candidate, herman cain, he was talking about faith not too long ago. got him in hot water, talking about muslims, you may remember. that was then, this is now. he is near the top of a number of gop presidential polls. friday at the values voter summit, the former talk show host and ceo of godfather's pizza was feeling good about his new found popularity. >> three months ago the pundits, the political pundits said herman cain can't get the nomination. herman cain can't win the presidency because he doesn't have high name id. he doesn't have a billion dollars and he never held public office. let me tell you what the american people are saying. they don't care about a billion

they both belief in jesus christ. they both are -- believe in their faith and in you yourself say are good people. >> right. anderson, again this is not the only criteria that we use to select a leader. in fact, i didn't mention the word cult or mitt romney in my introduction of governor perry today. >> you said it right after you left the stage in an interview and you said it plenty of times before, over the years, going back to 2007. >> that's right. again, i'm not labelling mitt romney as a bad person or mormones as bad people. >> but you say he's a member of a cult. >> yes. but anderson, if i were to say to you, you know, anderson, you're not a republican. i don't think you would say -- disagree with that. i would say that not because i think you're a bad person, but you don't hold the basic tenants of the republican party. >> obviously, you don't know that about me. but saying somebody is a republican is not a value judgment. saying that they're in a cult is a value judgment. i mean it's an incendiary term. >> no

they both belief in jesus christ. they both are -- believe in their faith and in you yourself say are good people. >> right. anderson, again this is not the only criteria that we use to select a leader. in fact, i didn't mention the word cult or mitt romney in my introduction of governor perry today. >> you said it right after you left the stage in an interview and you said it plenty of times before, over the years, going back to 2007. >> that's right. again, i'm not labelling mitt romney as a bad person or mormones as bad people. >> but you say he's a member of a cult. >> yes. but anderson, if i were to say to you, you know, anderson, you're not a republican. i don't think you would say -- disagree with that. i would say that not because i think you're a bad person, but you don't hold the basic tenants of the republican party. >> obviously, you don't know that about me. but saying somebody is a republican is not a value judgment. saying that they're in a cult is a value judgment. i mean it's an incendiary term. >> no

the church of jesus christ christ of latter day saints, says it is a christian faith. do you agree?i believe that they believe that they're christian. >> he says he's a christian. >> this is so inconsequential as far as this campaign is concerned. >> it reminded us a bit of questions not too long ago about whether the president of the united states was a christian. >> can you just state very clearly that president obama is a christian and he is a citizen of the united states? >> well, that is not for me to state. that's for the president to state. >> the president says he's a christian. i accept him at his word. >>> the president said he's a christian. i take him at his word. >> why does this happen? >> well, there are going to be these differences. i think some campaigns think that perhaps they have an advantage by getting into this. but the bottom line is -- >> what's the advantage? to appeal to a tiny slice of evangelicals who can't stomach mormonism or think it's a cult? >> or to establish that they're different than the voter, to create a wedge between the voter and that person

we sake the sacrament, pledge ourselves to christ, believe the basic doctrines about christ.sn't ruffle my feather, it's part of our religious landscape, it seems. >> part of the religious landscape. is this an issue in 2007, anyone around governor rom nil would tell you it's a speed bump in places like iowa, south carolina, so many evangelical vote to have this view reinforces, the cult voting for romney would be a vote giving a cult credibility. now it's about to be, if not a political issue. >> that word cult has been used a lot, too. i don'ty in that will come to a surprise, certainly not to evangelicals who have heard that in their churches and for example like dr. jeffress many times. so i think, i agree with david gergen, that the most serious consequence is likely to be a backlash. we live in a tolerant country where people look at other relidges. with respect. a cult is a pejorative word. using that term i think the -- those who tuesday discredit themselves more than they discredit the object. >> help me with the history. you heard tony perken he says governor romney

but it's the jesus christ who came to north america in the 1800s, not the jesus christ of the bible. it doesn't have the traditional belief about heaven and hell. it teaches a works-oriented type of salvation. so for those of us who are evangelicals, there is a difference. and as i cited in that poll, 75% of protestant pastors believe that there's a vast difference between mormonism and biblical christianity. >> last point on religion, it's not my strength, but let me ask you this, do you believe, as a christian, and you're a christian, do you believe that mormon people believe that jesus christ was god? >> well, you know what i've learned -- >> you said, "well," is that the answer, well? >> no. >> do you believe they're christians, in other words? to that central point. >> well, i don't believe all baptists are christians. i'm a baptist, i don't believe all baptists are christians, all catholics are christians, or all mormons are christians. nobody goes to heaven in a group, chris. we go individually to heaven or hell, personally based on what we believe in jesus christ. >> you're v

the same as it was at the time of jesus christ. we were an agrarian society, the same as it was at the time of jesus christ. 1800 years of kings and emperors ruling the world and the human condition did not change. then america, the declaration, rights coming from the god of abraham isaac and jacob and his laws in orr to serve him, as i said in our declaration. in 235 years, life expectancy has doubled. we have been through ed industrial and technology revolution. the poorest person in america today is wealthier than the wealthiest person. wealthy from thetandpoint of creature comforts, the wealthiest person 50 years ago. how many of you want to go to a hospital that is 50 years old? how many of you want telecommunication that is 50 years old? 9% of americans have cell phones? why? because we have limited government and we have a president and leaders in washington who believed in you. please, i asked your help and support. elect someone who has proven that they will stand up for the values that made this country great and be able

the same as it was at the time of jesus christ. we were an agrarian society, the same as it was at the time of jesus christ. 1800 years of kings and emperors ruling the world and the human condition did not change. then america, the declaration, rights coming from the god of abraham isaac and jacob and his laws in order to serve him, as i said in our declaration. in 235 years, life expectancy has doubled. we have been through ed industrial and technology revolution. the poorest person in america today is wealthier than the wealthiest person. wealthy from the standpoint of creature comforts, the wealthiest person 50 years ago. how many of you want to go to a hospital that is 50 years old? how many of you want telecommunication that is 50 years old? 9% of americans have cell phones? why? because we have limited government and we have a president and leaders in washington who believed in you. please, i asked your help and support. elect someone who has proven that they will stand up for the values that made this country great and be a

and jesus christ is the only way we can return to live with our heavenly father. >> yeah, well -- we could get into an in-depth theological discussion and put everyone to sleep out there. >> i'm fine to putting people to sleep as long as we're educating people. >> well -- this is not a new position. no, i would not consider them a cult, i would consider that catholicism, the basis of catholicism teaches a person is made right with god by faith in christ and good works, a number of good works, but historic christianity has said we are saved by faith and christ alone. i wouldn't label it a cult but would say its basic tenants are contrary to the teaching of the new testament. >> hindus, buddhists, islam, cults? >> yes, bible says very clearly only those who trust in christ as their savior will be saved in heaven. jesus made that clear when he said i'm the way, the truth, and the life. >> why the difference between rick perry and romney, there are political differences, but why base your decision on the closest, most core-held believes of these two men. they both believe in jesus christ

and he chose jesus christ. i think it's an outreach for churches to buy theaters out, every seat in it, and hand the tickets out to people that don't go to church. because they will see one man's faith. and what he put on the line to -- and also to choose jesus christ. >> reporter: what is your favorite part of the movie? what really impressed you the most? >> i've seen the movie six times now, and every time i break down crying at a different part. every time. >> reporter: is it the kids? >> it's not so much the kids as it was my past. because i was a rough person. and i tried to hide that for so many years. and the last few years i started speaking out my real testimony. last year alone we had over 15,000 people make commitments to christ because i'm not ashamed to speak out who i was anymore. we keep expanding because our work is not just about children in sudan. it's about children around the world that are suffering and dying. and peoples coming out of the movie, and they've got the same thing on their hea

we will continue until the christians can worship jesus christ without fear. >> and you can learn more about the church in north korea and >> welcome back to "christian world news." south sudan national anthem gives thanks to god. south sudan gained independence in a peace treaty ending a 20-year bloody civil war. recently a ministry sent us a verse from their national anthem. it says oh god, we praise and glorify you for your grace on south sudan, land of great abundance. uphold us united in peace and harmony. >> that is pretty cool. >>> a high speed cat ma ran became a link to independence for hundreds of handicapped people in singal last month. >> stan jeter reports that it reached the people that needed it the most. >> reporter: the hs 2 swift moves faster than anything in the u.s. navy. it serves as a good will ambassador delivering humanitarian cargo. when the swift arrived in decar, they donated wheelchairs. >> it is a three-wheeled chair and has a compartment underneath the seat where people can put stuff. >> john castle worked with the christian hospital to deliver the chairs

the idea of advent of christ, the return of christ, usually called the second coming. group that began to believe that the end of time was very near. >> howell is fascinated by the new testament and its promise of a judgment day. he describes in his own words his first conversation with god. >> i was fascinated by the scriptures and even the hokey evangelist i heard on the radio. i learned huge passages of scripture by heart and bored other kids at school with bible lectures. i was thrilled why the holy book and i knew that the great book was a puzzle of the truth i just had to decode in my own way. >> how long will you simple ones love your simple ways. >> i prayed, dear father, i know i'm stupid, but please talk to me because i want to serve you. a while later, i heard his word in my heart. as if we were discussing things directly. >> vernon howell is a restless soul. he seems to have this photographic memory, at least when it comes to reading the bible. he's not so great in school, but he knows the bible seemingly by memory. >> howell drops out of high school in the

mormons believe in christ and god and consider themselves christians. pastor jeffers is backing governor perry and he says he would not want republicans to nominate romney because of his mormon faith. so a recent cnn wmur poll undercuts the premise, maybe. take a look at how likely republican primary voters answered the question of, do you think the country is ready to elect a mormon president? 61% said yes. 25% no. the poll was conducted from september 26th to this past thursday. as a sampling error of plus or minus 6 percentage points. >>> while we're hearing fresh from the president this morning, he is pushing once again hard for his jobs bill in his weekly address. he's accusing the republicans of creating political gridlock. >> this is not the time for the usual games or political gridlock in washington. so any senator out there who is thinking about voting against this jobs bill needs to explain why they would oppose something that we know would improve our economic situation. if the republicans in congress think they have a better plan for creati

but it's the jesus christ who came to north america, you know, in the 1800's, not the jesus christ of the bible. chris: one of the most recent nbc news, "wall street journal" poll, 47% say they're comfortable with a mormon being president, namely mitt romney. in a new poll, voters had to come up with one term or phrase that comes to mind for each leading republican. for herman cain it was 999. for rick perry, it was texas. and for romney, it was the single word, mormon. it's come to be so salient, david, and this is tricky business. i don't want to talk about religion but the old question comes back, does he have to clear the air? does he have to play offense or can he simply say it's my business, it's my religion, focus on my politics? >> presumably he'll try to say it's personal, it's none of your business, but to be honest, chris, he'll be thinking about the great example of how to deal with this successfully which is jack kennedy in 1960 and, not to flatter our host too much, but the best account i've read of is in your new book about j.f.k. you ought to share with all, how did j.

and the grand inquisitor, christ comes back to earth. he never says anything in the parable, but of the inquisition of arrests and immediately and the grand inquisitor, this chapter is his indictment of got from the time of creation and the indictment is that your absent. you have less people with a decision as to whether to be the four not to believe, and that is intolerable to them. they can't handle it, so you are the cause of human suffering. and so, we have stepped in as the church, and this is -- he projected into this not only the roman catholicism but socialism on to itself. we are going to take care of you. we will bring people happiness by giving them who led a band of 40. we will tell you what to believe, and if you submit to us, you will be happy. that is the source of human happiness. and of course christ was tempted by in the gospel he was tempted by satan who told them to for those of down off a cliff cast himself off a cliff and the rescue himself because he's god and that would make people believe. it's a reason of the c

>> first of all, the church of jesus christ, latter day saints, they believe in jesus christ.ere is that people of that faith have served this country honorably for a long time without any influence from the church. udall is one of the great families of democratic parties, harry reid's a mormon, they tend to be more republican, but it's very important to note that they have a real tradition of service in very comp tant and honorable l service. i would hope that the reverend would reconsider his position, but it may be something that governor romney's going to have to address. i hope not. i think we got bigger problems than that, but it could be. >> how much anguish is this going to cause among republicans and conservatives? the fact that all of a sudden, this has come up as an issue? >> i think it's part of what has been known to be some concern that romney does not invigorate important elements. some because issues he's taken in the past. others because the view on religion. obviously shared james' view on the contributions the mormons have made and continue to make in americ

. >> i believe that jesus christ is the son of god and the savior of mankind. that the four years on, his faith is still alive. a close family friend speaks. >> as long as people recognize him as the turnaround by for the olympics and governor and businesses, more men is every bit as part of him, and i do not think he will ever shy away from that. >> would it be easier if he was not a mormon? >> at this point, probably yes. on the other hand, who knows where he would be without his mormon faith? >> it will be in south carolina that mitt romney's faith will face its first electoral test. >> south carolina is particularly dangerous territory. i was here in 2008 that he was unceremoniously crushed. it is home to some of the darkest of in republican campaigning and home to an evangelical christian community that has little time for mormons.

we believed it is our responsibility to present the gospel of jesus christ. we also believe it was our responsibility to make sure they were educated. i know my mother, we did not have a lot of money, she always made sure there were books. every day, before nap time, as a little girl, i remember crawling in my mother's lap, we had the big chair and we were all sitting on her lap in the big chair, she would have a stack of books this high. every day, we would go through that whole stack of books. it was the best part of the day. even though we did not have much money, like i said, my brothers grew up to be extremely successful. and then you have me. they all grew up to be extremely successful. i looked back -- i honor my father and my mother. i look back to both of them into their example. i am so grateful for that example in our own life. they consistently read to us. they made shore -- sure that education was an important part of what we did. they wanted to make war that we read. -- sure that we read. we educate our biological children at home. we wanted to

my knee to jesus christ, but i have not done it at that point. and i had some faithful friends. i heard the way of salvation from the pulpit. and i heard it, and i did not give my life to the lord at the moment. but it stuck with me. later on i was with three friends of mine and it was this time of year. it was beautiful out. we heard there was going to be a party in our lutheran church on halloween evening. if we decided we would go. we were 16 years of all and end of horsing around and decided we would go to this party. we went, my friends and myself. there was no party of the church, about 10:00 at night, but the doors were open. that was not often the case. we went into the church and when we went in, it was almost like there was a wholly hush that came over the room. -- a holy hushed that came over the room. we were drawn to the altar. at that moment, a horsing around was done. all of us have a tug and our hearts that this was the time for serious business. we came up to the altar and we bowed our knees to the altar and which started talking

if he recants his faith in jesus christ, he gets mercy under sharia law. anybody that says sharia law is compatibl compatible, it is not. >> in this case the courts are using fatwas issues by powerful ayatollahs. >> this is illegal, not only in the spite of the iranian constitution, also national treat ties. >> the pastor's case stands of a clear example of iran's crack down on christians. the government has openly admitted iranians are leaving the christian faith. >> this persecution has gained momentum. >> mean believe pastor yousef nadarkhani was targeted because he spoke out. charlene israel, cbn news. >> american center for law and justice is working to help free pastor yousef nadarkhani. joining us is aclj jordan sekulow. he as obviously refused to recant, what happens next? >> this trial is over. he has been transferred back to jail. geven given a final opportunity to recant his faith. what is troubling here, george, earlier in the trial, people were not allowed in complete military lock down, no outside press, no friends. a lawyer and him in there

he's also both a lawyer and a united church of christ minister. >> unfortunately, i think some religious organizations use this idea of a ministerial exception as a pretext to dismiss people on the basis of their color, their gender, their racial background or their disability and that really runs counter to every principle of i think morality, and every principle of our civil rights system. >> reporter: goodrich says the larger religious liberty principle is too important to have juries deciding what was a religious motive for hiring or firing. >> even if a church may not be acting -- may have mixed motives, it is important to allow the church to decide. because you have a lot of cases where there aren't mixed motives and the church makes a purely religious decision. but if you allow juries and courts to second guess that, churches will not be free to make decisions based on their religious beliefs. >> reporter: courts are good at determining whether something is a sincerely held belief. >> we do it with conscientious objectors to war. this is just another red herring added by some reli

[laughter] you can't say jesus christ." and i said, "well, let's put that aside for a while, and i'll think about that one." then they went on to some others, like, there's a point in the first act of the play where george refers to martha's father, president of the university, and says to the guests, "she is his right ball, so to speak." they objected to "ball" as a slang term, and this really, really puzzled me. they said, "however, it will be all right if you say she is his right testicle." [laughter] i said, "but that doesn't scan. the rhythm is wrong there, so we can't do that." and on and on and on and on. they said, "well, we have to come back to jesus h. christ," and i was getting a little puzzled and annoyed by that point, so i said, as a joke, "well, how about mary h. magdalene?" [laughter] he thought and said, "yes, that would be lovely." and i knew there was not gonna be any real communication here. and so i took his 75 objections, and i took them to the theater, where the actors and the director were very, very

they often refer to it as another testament of jesus christ. >> reporter: but another of joseph smith'selations also led to a practice the mormon church has since denounce the, polygamy, when the church ended in 1890. >> i think the practice of polygamy among mormons in the 19th century has produced a misunderstanding, even though the church is clear that polygamy is no longer acceptable there is still the association in the mind of many americans. >> reporter: there are areas of common ground. mormons, like many religious conservatives, oppose botherses as well as same-sex marriage russ. >> mitchell: in new york, the occupy wall street unit is into its fourth weekend. today the movable protest moved uptown. thousands rode the subway two miles to washington square park where they staged a peaceful protest against the state of the economy. the economy added more than 100,000 jobs last month, but that wasn't enough to budget the unemployment rate off of 9.1%. historically over the last 15 years, almost two-third of new jobs have been generated by small businesses, but now businesses that

if jesus christ was sitting here he would saying this same thing. things together and and things together. they will call us some bad things but jesus doesn't care if it is socialism or communism or me and you. it is significant his ballad of jesus christ makes this connection with the holy outlaw even stronger because he bases the tune and the format -- he rips off 100% the tune and format from the american ally ballad jesse james. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> there is an unrecorded fierce that is written down. a hard-hitting song for hard-hitting people. never recorded. ♪ if the love of the court should one day turn to hate ♪ and the patient of the workers fade away ♪ it will be better for you rich ♪ if you had never been born ♪ that you laid jesus christ in his grave ♪ ♪ ♪ [applause] >> that song was written in 1940 and was the end of an era because the previous year president roosevelt announced the great social experiment of the new deal was being officially wound up and the government's resources were being redirected to concentrate on increasingly gl