not all cathols were christia but he was a christian in the true sense of theword, and i don't mean it in the kind of fuamentalist kind ofthing. >> you see himas having qualities different from his brothers that you jst outlined. >> because he had to overce the legd, the mystery, the charisma of three bthers aahead of him, and all of a sudden he becomes the patriarch this keedy family and as his mother said, luke, to which much is given, much is expected. >> iant to thank you very much. it's beea pleasure. thank you very much. it'sreat to be here. thank you, malachy mccourt. >>> it's falen out of the headlines in is country, we nted to devote some time tonight to an importt issue affecting many untries around e world, immigration,uch of it illegal. just this weekritainnd pakistan reaed an agreement at could result in the retur of thousands of pakistanis living illegally i the united kingdo the pakistani vernment will issue emergey passports to those bng relocated. they say the dea could be used to rid britain of suspeed rrorists. russia has a problem with illegal immigration, not unlik

christia christiane amanpour, thanks for sticking with me.u able to see that while you were standing by? >> reporter: i can't see it but i want to make a comment on what you said. i wonder if she can cover him objectively after that. i am going to refer you back to the nixon administration when he came out in the press room and c congratulat congratulated her in being named the first women in the white house core and she had no problem responding by asking him a tough question on the ongoing water gate affair. i think helen thomas has earned her stripes in the credibility department. >> amen. did she get a kill from the president at that time? obama gave her a big kiss on the cheek. >> reporter: i don't know about that. >> point well made. we will turn away from helen thomas' 89th birthday same as president obama's who turns 48 today. we were talking about bill clinton and you who he is over in north korea trying to negotiate the release of the two journalists. a lot of people are wondering could this be more than just release of two journali