n >> we have wayne rogers and john lay field and tracey burns and joining us our good friend christian dorsey. and welcome to all of you. tracey, the plan may be half in tax hikes and spending cuttings. you say promises. >> tax hikes will be here forever and spending cuts, you will never see them. we did it with medicare. they would cut doctor payments and never did it. and cut the defense budget and that gets bigger by the second. we can't seem to reign in spendingment don't believe they will do it both. >> john, she's about the delay miss spending cuts. 10 or 20 years down the line. is it the spending or tax hikes? >> all we are getting is the tax hikings. i read through the entire plan, half are tax hikes and the other half, what you are seeing an assumption that we'll get lower interest rates for our debt . that is a pretty drastic assumption and the assumption that you will have several hundred billion in medicare cuts. but savings rather. >> you are not seeing hardly any cuts whatsoever in the plan. assumption of future savings and lower interest rates and all this does is kick the can