jeffrey brown has our conversation. >> brown: the u.s. remains an overwhelmingly christian country. that hasn't changed, but a new survey shows a significant drop in the number of americans who identify as christian. the survey was done by the pew research center. it showed that in 2007, 78% of americans identified as christian. by last year, the percentage had dropped to under 71%. those years have seen a dramatic rise in the number of americans who say they are religiously unaffiliated, from 16 to nearly 23%. the largest drop was in mainline protestant denominations, but the number of catholics also fell. several non-christian religions, islam and hinduism, saw modest gains. alan cooperman is director of religious research at pew. also with us is reverend serene jones president of the union theological seminary in new york city. welcome to both of you. alan cooperman, let me start with you. one aspect of this that might surprise people is just how widespread this drop is. did that strike you? >> absolutely, jeff. i mean, i think the important thing for people the realize, this is