to hear christian morales from intel saying that the p.c. would live on. and come 20 years from now, it would all be about tablets. >>> up next, storms in europe continue to affect travel plans. we'll have the forecast. >>> and also, a shuttle swan song as "atlantis" heads home, finally. that's ahead on the show. stay with us. >>> hello again. this is "world business today." we're live on cnn. >> to the weather now. and thursday will bring a rare round of severe storms through some parts of europe. meteorologist jennifer delgado is standing by with your business travelers forecast. good morning, jen. i take it you're watching some of the problem spots right now. where are they? >> we have two problem spots. one in western europe. but the one towards eastern europe will be firing up the activity later in the day. you look at the radar right now. blue and red being reflected in areas of germany and poland. this means another cool as well as rainy day for parts of western europe. it's really going to be the east that we're watching for areas, including romani

. >> he says we believe in christianity as a cultural, social identity and moral platform. is makes us christian. >> bill: what? that's insane. evidence doesn't say he believes in jesus christ and jesus' teaching. >> he calls himself a cultural christian. who are we to decide whether he is a christian or not? my point. >> bill: mussolini said he was a christian and mussolini went to church, he was a catholic. that's insane. you can call yourself whatever you want. here's the difference. there is no evidence this man was a member of a church. no evidence that he followed the teachings of jesus christ, as you know. they are nonviolent. okay? no evidence that he had anything to do with the christian faith. yet, they call him a christian because he says he is? come on. >> well, i mean, how are we to know? i mean if somebody says they are a christian, then you have to take them at their word? >> no, you don't. i don't think mussolini was a christian. and i absolutely don't. >> you and i got into a debate about whether the fort hood shooter should have been called a muslim terrori

the church says it was the christian thing to do, and that the bedrock moral issue is how we treat each other as children of god. quin monson is a political science professor at brigham young university. >> there is an approach that church has been supporting that allows people to square themselves with the law it's allowing people to live without fear, to stay with their families, to pay a fine and come out of the shadows. >> reporter: but in the view of legislations opponents, it provides amnesty for lawbreakers and goes squarely against the 12th, and one of the church's 13 articles of faith. >> reporter: it basically says that we honor, obey and sustain the law of the land and that's something that all of the children learn when they're growing up and especially the older generation. it was something that was drummed into you and that was just like one of the ten commandments, and so when people see people not complying with the law, that makes them nervous and raises questions. >> reporter: ron mortensen doesn't argue with the compassion of his church, but he thinks that the bigger

christian societies. >>> we have a report today on the moral choices involved in the intense negotiations underway in washington over what to do about the country's $14.3 trillion debt. if the debt ceiling is not raised by august 2nd, in just one month, the treasury department says for the first time in american history the governmentill t have enough ney to meet all its obligations. the administration wants congress to raise the debt ceiling so the government can borrow more to pay those bills. but many members of congress say they want, first, a believable long-term plan to reduce the deficit. so far, there's no agreement on such a plan, so the debt limit remains, and so does the countdown to default. all over washington, from congress to the white house, among the "k" street lobbies, at the think tanks and at scores of conferences and panels, experts are trying to solve the problem. one experienced voice has been that of retired republican senator alan simpson of wyoming. he was the co-chair of last year's special presidential commission on the debt. >> if we don't get a plan out of this by august 2nd, then

christianity judaism. islam buddhist hindu or really just being a moral person that says that it's ok to just ignore him neglect the most vulnerable people in our society only talks about seniors these are people who blazed the past for us young folks these are people who fought in world war two the ones who defeated our country they're the ones who built our country that we could have stayed that year thanks for all you do for us but we're not there for you grandma grandpa i think that's repugnant and so that's that's where i'm coming from and i hope a lot of people agree with me on this point and thing is of course is that it's not just seniors it's the entire middle class right now especially when you look here fact that corporate profits are reaching record highs that corporate executives are having have record bonuses right now while the middle class is shrinking is it really just about getting back to basics or do you think that we're going to need something bigger and we need some type of a social upheaval of the new brzezinski even so. and yesterday that he thinks there might be some type of a social un

you think he is going to go for the christian right vote that we saw from the moral majority and rallyingh on certain moral and private morality issues? is that the base he will go for? >> i think so reverend sharpton. i think despite the fact he has major beef with george w. bush, the same kind of outlook and portfolio is available to him. and it is for the offing. and it is certainly available for his exploitations. so i think this appeal to the far right, using the language, not of civic democracy or civil religion which is around common symbols but to reinforce the alienation to say some people are righter than others, and have a clearer voice and vision. i'm an ordained minister for more than 30 years, but look, he is from texas. a guy named jesus called him. he might have thought it was jesus and we can excuse him for feeling he was called by jesus to come to the race. >> matt, he invited all of the conservatives, he didn't invite me and i'm a conservative. i'm trying to conserve roe versus wade, i'm trying to conserve a lot of things. but i wasn't invited. but is the gop kind of sk

have waited for an event like this that they could pounce on and say ah-ha moral equivalent between islamic jihadist and christian groups. there is nothing to it. if you really think that christian conservatives in the united states and elsewhere are a bigger threat to your freedoms and your security, then jihadists then i guess we just live on different planets. i think that's where sally quinn is coming from. >> bill: i don't know about that i don't think sally quinn is in the same category as the "new york times." i think sally quinn says basically if the guy calls himself a christian, then is he a christian. if everybody -- whoa, wait. if everybody went by ms. quinn's rules, then i could say i'm turkish, okay. hey, i'm turkish. you know? >> one thing we didn't know about you. >> i like the city so i'm turkish. >> i went back and watched one of your debates with sally or interviews with sally about a year and a half ago when you were talking about the fort hood killing. and finally she did say okay, he is a muslim terrorist. >> she never forgot it. >> no. but initially, bill, she said well, it's very complicat

right there's lots of that going out there a christian marketing is a huge business lots of people are making money at it. and then whether or not it's moral or not it's a lot of it is how it how it's being done and why it's being done and such. but it is often done poorly one of the things that happens is that when we believe that the gospel is a message that we have to sell we begin to water it down to make it appealing to the buyer because otherwise the buyers won't want it and there's more to the gospel and simply an appealing message of what jesus can do for me even if in london if i go to you there's also the idea of service ok you know if i go to you in london i mean in researching this program i came across a number of references that the historic jesus jesus christ first for some in many ways a great c.e.o. . an interesting comment how do you feel about that. well that's that's not a title i would use ok but there's a thing i think i need to clarify or expand upon we talk about the marketing of jesus christ and my friend earlier on talk about publishing the gospel. well let's define what marketing marketing is in my definition of

founding fathers i argue believed that religion, even christianity in some daises was important to producing a vir choose republic and making moral citizens, benevolent citizens and so forth. they clearly were not believing they were, you know, they didn't want religion to play any role in the government or at least i should say in the culture so i'll stop there. [applause] >> i'd like to thank the authors for doing a great job staying within the time limits allowing time for questions. a few administrative points. i want to thank m. revack and company out of west virginia, and remind you the book festival events are free and we'd like to keep it that way. please consider a donation. there's envelopes in the back or donate online. thank you. there's questions and please because this is broadcasted, there's microphones going around. i will point to a question, and then please wait for the microphone before you answer so questions, hands. in the front here. >> this has been very fascinating to me. i'm from maryland though where we're very proud -- [inaudible] i was wondering whether we treated the dissenters any better and whether

christianity. jimmy carter was always very hesitant, such as in the moralizer, very hesitant to god's purpose with america's purpose. after the i love america rally, no surprise again we get the formation of the moral majority and we get the rise of what is known as the new right during the period. and many of the members of a new right also were very sure that jimmy carter was quite vulnerable on a bunch of cultural issues, which is some ways didn't prove to be afraid if they wanted it to, but they had a point. none of this would matter. sure to falwell's opposition, none of this anonymous there was a candidate they are ready to articulate the concerns and also in office. and course we have that as well and that's ronald reagan. during the period of time that i'm dealing with it, ronald reagan will start to take the lead in the republican party primary. he was there to pull ahead, pull ahead of a number of contenders, most famously essentially chasing john connally and philip crane. it's also during this time he starts to perfect his own right-wing populism as we've come to know today. he gives a

fathers, i would argue, believe that religion -- even christianity in some cases -- was important to producing a virtuous republic and making moral citizens, benevolent citizens and so forth. so they, clearly, you know, were not sort of, you know, believing that they were, you know, they don't want religion to play any role in the government or at least i should say in the culture. so i'll stop there. [applause] >> i'd like to thank the authors for doing a magnificent job for keeping within the time limits, allowing much time for questions. a few administrative points. i'd like to thank one of the sponsors for this event, m. reva ck and company and, secondly, most events are free, and the book festival would like to deep it that way. there are envelopes in the back, or you can donate online. thank you. there will be some questions and, please, because this will be broadcasts, there are microphones going around. i will point to a question and then, please, wait for the microphone before, before you answer. so questions. hands. in the front here. .. >> during the revolution, maryland, or virginia is to longer persecuting dissenters

moral component with it. >> accused by some of turning the prison into a christian revival camp, warden cain has a simple responsene guy brought up about the operation of church and state. i said to him, don't let your inflexibility make you ineffective. we don't care what religion you are, we just need this church because this is an island of freedom and we get them in here and then we can start working on them to be a more moral person and our recidivism rates go down, and that equals less victims of violent crime, which is what we're after. if we save one, it's worth it all. ♪ one is worth it. and so no one, no one in his right mind would object to trying to have morality in a prison unless he's an idiot. >> coming up on "lockup: angola" -- >> hey, rick, how long you been here? >> i've been here 24 years. >> time at angola runs out for two men. >> i will maintain my mental stability. >> one walks, the other stays forever. [ male announcer ] built like a volkswagen. the 2011 tiguan. [ grunts ] >> ( rooster crows ) >> by 2020, 50 billion network devices will roam the earth. that's seven devices per person. this

christianity. it's in the practice of it and the perversion of it by people who done messed it up. [applause] >> so i think that malcolm mixes ambition, moral ambition cannot be distinguished from what he learned from elijah muhammad at his best. he did produce a farrakhan minister in an episcopalian church in boston and ali chose to stay in the nation of islam when malcolm left. and i got a chance to speak to muhammad ali, he should have been much more open-minded. to be brief, that it's the ideals and the theologies and the moral verities are great and i think what malcolm did is about love as black people and i'm going to say something as a black minister, it transcends yo christianity and your islamic faith there are some christians who claim they know jesus who are doing crazy stuff that i don't agree at all i would rather be atheists who are doing the work of jesus or the holy koran or the art of motorcycle maintenance but i think in the end -- here's where i ironically even though i tried to be critical of many elements of the fascist dimensions of black insular thinking and the way in which as professor harris-perry says that it pol

christian conservative vote could very easily be split amongst several candidates in the field. the top three, in fact, which is a good thing. i think people care about the economy, obviously for moral reasons and family reasons that people want jobs. they want everybody to be able to work and support their family. so there's something about perry that can appeal to christian conserve pifati conservatives, tea partiers and that's the big uniting issue and perry can be strong on that. that's why a perry candidacy would be horrific for obama. >> i disagree here, though. at the end of the day, though -- >> shocking. >> when it comes down to it, i don't think perry's right for the republican ticket. i think he's going to have a hard time convincing rank-and-file republicans to join him. you know, since he's been governor, we've seen -- even though people say they're creating a lot of jobs to texas, no what avail? he's cut education by 30%, made tons of cuts. the only reason is because of president obama's stimulus dollars. >> yeah, those stimulus dollars are not creating jobs in this country. we don't have all those shovel-ready projects. there's a lot of people standing in line waiting

christianity. it's in the practice and perversion of it by people who done messed it up, so i think that malcolm x's ambition, moralambition cannot be dwieshed from -- distinguished from what he learned. mohammed did produce a minister in boston, and then, of course, converted, and, of course, mohamed ali made the choice, and i got to speak to him later, and he said he should have been much more open minded. i say that to say, to be brief, that it's the ideals and theology and moral varieties are great, and i think what malcolm did was love of black people. i'll say something here as a baptist minister. it transcends christianity and islamic faith. there's christians who claim they know jesus doing crazy stuff i don't approve of at all. i would rather side with atheists who are doing the work of good or motorcycle maintenance -- [laughter] whatever the book establishes your faith beautiful, because i think in the end here's where ironically where i try to be critical of the fascist dimensions of black insular thinking and the way in which professor hair -- professor harris-perry sighs, you want us to be together, b

moral values twenty one percent think it to be part a world culture and another seventeen percent regard religion as they link to god with the important role religion has in society marketing christianity looks like a beneficial idea but can it be justified. ok now we're joined by reverend david smith in sydney he's a parish priest welcome to the program we were in the first part of the program we were talking about the commodification of christianity and how its message is spread through the world and and we've been focusing on how it's been commercialized here so david if i could ask you what where do you draw the line in trying to get the message of the gospel out i mean i mentioned earlier in the program jesus jeans jesus. eccentrics cetera i mean where do you draw the line because i mean i know that we are there and young people have different needs and interests and whatnot and christianity wants to be up with the times to be able to be. deal with modernity but where do you draw the line. i think it was caused by i do said the retelling the gospel is to look also in the language of the day without importing the valleys and that's often a very how blind to draw i think we do alway

morally. talk to me about the issue of premarital sex and the decision to abstain from it. >> you want to answer that? >> well, courtney was christianving herself for marriage. and, you know, i got to say, if there's only one caveat toll our -- the ocean between our age differences, i wished i was a think it's -- met, because i >> it's fine that he wasn't. he's good. whatever. he's a tiger. >> oh, god. you're so bad. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: let's give it a minute so that everyone's skin can stop crawling. by the way what was going on at the beginning. was she posing or having a stroke? apparently she's an aspiring singer. and check her out online. what a beautiful voice she has, really. but here's more with doug and courtney, explaining why their relationship isn't any different from anyone elses. >> there was nothing illegal or immoral about it. it was just that we found ourselves falling for each other. >> falling on the w wgs of love together. >> jimmy: she's definitely flying high, but i'm not sure it's on the wings of love. this is good. i saw this on cable this morning. if you watch a lot of news, you know how important the seg

morally. talk to me about the issue of premarital sex and the decision to abstain from it. >> want to answer that? >> well, courtney was a christianelf for marriage. >> after their wedding, a little stuck there, doug and courtney enjoyed quite a reception from anderson on the ridiculist several times in fact. so tonight just for you, a greatest hits remix. >> 51 years old. a few weeks ago in las vegas he married a 16-year-old girl. vegas? romantic. who is this young lady who found true love within a character actor in his early 50s? luckily like a lot of 16-year-olds she has a youtube channel where she posts videos, probably talks about her homework and getting her driver's license and justin bieber and stuff. let's take a look. >> everything about me is real. my hair is real, my teeth are real, my eyelashes are real. >> do you know what else is real? their love is real. >> we didn't have the distraction of -- >> the physicality. >> but guess what, romance haters. her parents gave their permission. >> >> oh. goodness. yeah. she's 16. kids today. the wedding was on may 20th, according to my calendar that was a friday. so she probab

morality before. perhaps you remember her on her youtube channel? >> i have never done pornography. i never will. about myself, i am a christian girl.n to stay that way until i am married. >> and now she's married. she was married five months after she posted that video. way to make a plan and stick to it. i bet she learned that in 4-h. okay. sure. some people are calling her husband a cradle robber, pervert, dirty old man. whatever. those are just words. we note truth. >> people are welcome to their opinions. that's what the world is about. if they need to feel this way, that's theirs to hold. not ours. >> did you see that? can we roll that again? and can someone please explain to me what is going on with courtney in this clip? >> people are welcome to their opinions. that's what the world is about. if they need to feel this way, that's theirs to hold. >> are we frozen on this video? i know we're transfixed, but what was she doing with her face? it was like -- i almost think she just got roofied or something or maybe had some side effect from botox or something. please stop. take that out. if i didn't already know better from court

christian god. if you look at the mess the country is in, there is no evidence of that. i often find people complaining about the state of the nation and the moral are frustrated on facebook and twitter. yet, they forget it is we the people who are responsible for the officials that are in washington. ultimately, we are responsible for those policies i am i think we can take back our country. and we need to hold them accountable. we can't just sit back and point fingers. >> sean: it is a terrific book. carol -- dr. swayne, we appreciate it. >> thank you

christians relationship to the bible. some people of literalists. they believe in the literal interpretation of the world. some are liberal and think this is the suggestion of the moral identity, and we must not adhere strictly to that. we, can interpret them andndpply them in ways that are edifying. we can't assume we know the one to one correlation between the founding fear, the constitution and what we do today. >> for instance, the first amendment, the controversial, in some quarter, ruling by the supreme court this week, regarding violent video games for children. there are many parents who have been sort of outraged by that. yet, it's framed in a basic first amendment right. is that an example of something that is obvious? it should be like that, or is that also part of the struggle to figure out how to match 200 years with today? >> i think it was important not to collapse the distance between 200 years and today and understand the history that's come in between the two. there's this great moment, if i could be preserved in a vat of madeira wine and be reawakened. in 100 or 200 years, i would really like to see how this country turns out. >> didn't people say,

have a priest moral perspective on -- >> be honest bill maher is a comedian but he does talk and propose and carry forth an agenda that is serious. it is an anti religion anti judeo christiana. he is clear about it. he hates this stuff. >> he uses the comic mural in order to carry out such an agenda. he himself would say it. he would say it in a serious agenda now should stand up and recognize that and say we are not going to let him hide hyphened satire

christianity. it is in the practice of it and perversion of it by the people who done messed it up. so i think that malcolm x's ambition, moral ambition, cannot the distinguished from what he learned from a laysha mohammed at his best. he did produce an minister farrakhan in boston and then of course converted and of course mohammed ali and ali made the choice of staying with a the nation of islam. to be brief, it is the ideals and the theologies and i think would malcolm did was about love of black people and i'm going to say something is a baptist minister. your islamic faith because they were christians who claim they know jesus who are doing crazy stuff that i don't agree with that also i would rather side with people who claimed to be atheists but who were doing the work of elijah or jesus or the holy koran or the art art of motorcycle maintenance. whatever book establishes the predicate of your faith beautiful but i think in the end and here is where i ironically even though i've tried to be critical of many elements of the fascist dimensions of black insular thinking and the way in which as professor harris-perry says

morality that should be guiding all of us. recently i called upon religious leaders to help us in this guidance, to make the right decisions. christians, catholic, protestants, muslims, mormons, jews, and gentiles. i was so pleased that a long and dear friend named jim wallace, he's a lutheran pastor, was an advisor to the president, and just yesterday he brought in a group of ministers to help the president to make the moral decision as he struggles so hard to make the proper decision as it affects our budget and how we are going to reduce our deficit. but the things that he had cited like matthews, truly i tell you whatever you did for me that you did for me, the least of these brothers and sisters of mine you did for me. what it is is that whatever you have done to assist a poor person, or those who are not as strong physically and financially as you and i, that you really did this in a sense for jesus because you have done the right thing. and then he goes on to have something that sounds like statutes when it says, woe to those who fact unjust statutes and who write oppressive decrees. oppressive decrees. depriving the needy of j

moral or immoral. to say that congress will tell the chaplaincy not to train anybody on implementing this policy change leave ours soldiers in a spiritual lurch. it leave ours christian soldiers in a spiritual lurch. it leaves our jewish soldiers in a spiritual lurch. all of those who take advantage of the good offices of the chaplaincy in the military just as of course we have a chaplain in this fine institution, the united states congress. so again, this is a change that perhaps many members of the chaplaincy were not in favor of, some were, depends on their faith position and political opinions but they need to be trained in accordance with military protocols and this amendment would gut that. i trongly urge a no vote and yield back the balance of my time. the chair: does anyone seek recognition on this amendment? the question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from kansas. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the noes have it. the amendment is not agreed to. for what purpose does the gentleman from kansas rise? mr. huelskamp: i ask for the yeas and nays. i ask for a recorded vote. the chair: does the gentleman ask for