this lasted for almost a 1000 years he believed in eastern christianity zone for the orthodox christians until the amounts conquered. because of the nobility in 4053 and the convert it into a mosque now under other turkey in the early 20th century they made it into i'm you see it's part of that secular sation to make it into well as i should put it positioning it urges a secular state and also along with and or sister to be a good bridge between the east and west so imitating some of history but also being more european so again i can understand why turkish muslims then would like to we will not care for the fact that our most casts been clear to me seem for almost a century and it would like to return to a place of worship however they shouldn't also recognize that for christians to have similar concerns a serious affair was not billed as a most ill that's a cathedral. and this kind of this is the national sovereignty of course of turkey to decide what it should do and how everything indicates what kind of country turkey will be obviously things like pluralism and respect for other fait

christian symbols and christian artwork and simply inconsistent with these present. there is another factor which i think is not me given the attention that it deserves which is that when adults are made the decision to confess the church in the last back into the museum he was doing to say things firstly he was secular icing and westernizing tacky now that he's being rude 1st he was also doing something else which is that he was signaling to the neighboring countries the neighboring christian and former christian countries greece so union and all the rest of the turkey was intent on being a good name is very much part of kemo letter to extol assiut that's on a major route across soviet union which people tend to forget very major red cross more with greece now values facing this decision at the same time the gun is a joking a much more as city foreign policy that signals to many people in the in the area around tacky that policy that adds it so cannot it so it had is being abandoned is be pushed aside so it has a major resonance in the east it is not absent such gre

worship in their traditional ways jews and christians and others more traditional christians like syria christians orthodox armenian christians catholics and others they have their on religious institutions they have their own schools and they are free to practice their religion so it doesn't really raise any questions about religious coexistence turkey's air too many empires and civilizations and culture cultures and we have been able to preserve that rich cultural tradition for centuries and we are determined to do so the new status that i sophia will have as a mosque it does not in any way at take away anything from its being part of this rich tradition what message does this send to the president that he wants to try to sit home and abroad to what extent to this reinforce the perception that the turkey is not interested in abiding by international institutions it's determined to act unilaterally what international institutions or conventions are there to decide whether i associate should be a mosque or museum i'm sorry i'm failing to understand your question there but you know it's.

that if you're a christian you cannot be of the. it will show my wife humility if you're a christian you've got that little blue collar that make sure i don't let you see it but you will because it makes you. well that's the thing and laura i'm going to give you the last word on this case do you think that the reason why we're not hearing much outcry from the churches right now is because basically they're living by that whole turn the other cheek mentality that they are taught the scriptures and that might not be what it means but that's why christians are just saying oh it's ok it's for the greater good yeah great point scottie you know i appreciate that. god bless you for what you're saying the reason why you're not hearing from the larger christian population especially within the leadership is because the mainstream media is not going to give them a voice however i will tell you we are mobilizing religious leaders leaders of faith both jews rabbis and pastors black and white ministers who are uniting together to stand in opposi

millions of christians around the world we have been fighting together christians and muslims who have been fighting jihadism for the last 10 years or so and now there is this example that will create a rift between muslim and christian communities and create new tensions it will feed the the narrative of the extremists on both sides i should remind you that the the video had a goal to conquer constantinople and make a yes afia a mosque so this is a glimmer exactly of the jihad this narrative and also we have the truth is voices in the west as well that want want to expend oh it's lamb from the west so what this move will create it will be the perfect narrative for the extremists on both sides to say look this is a clash of civilizations the 2 the jury live just cannot live together one is occupying the other monuments and we cannot live in peace together so this is creating it will create a rift more than larger than inside turkey and what these handling right now tangas that's a solid point isn't it because this is a building that really does symbolize taki struggling to different wo

, active christians and fellow traveling christians. i took a special look at a marvelous book widely forgotten called difficulties. what happened was in 1933, famous at that time as an explorer, as a philosopher, as a historian, found himself up against kind of a fellow traveling posture christian. he could not quite convince himself that he ought to go all the way. he so often activated the impulses of this kind. he wrote the most prominent young theologian in england. ronald knox. he had been a minister at oxford he became a catholic somewhere along the line. he invited father knox to explore with him publicly certain difficulties he had with religion. how can human beings, for instance, how can they exercise free will while god is this. .... that was one of several difficulties in which the two exchanges magnificent others. i revisit those and well in them and ask ourselves whether they are modern perspectives on which we have fresh views of these difficulties. the opening chapter is a chapter that you might have caught in the natio

day in europe against christian by symbols property or christians themselves this ought to be extremely alarming to the my. media the politico the church hierarchy it never somehow seems to be it's like a christian phobia it is the last respects to be. allowed to have attacks on synagogues and mosques all right in lakeland and wards attacks on christianity are more ignored the deep lord yeah that's interesting why why do you think that is steve i think george of raises a really good point there and you know we have to be careful i'm catholic george i think you're catholic just for himself disclosure here steve are your christian. do you know i think he hit on something very important there and it's the silence of the media in general christians are open target it's free game it's a free for all whether it's easter sunday or whatever it may be and these attacks are open and what you're not seeing you're not seeing militant methodists and barbarian baptists taking to the street quite the opposite as pointed out it's an arc as far left fringe focusing and i go back to to the idea that it's

b when david killed goliath, it wasn't like before he became a christian and that he became a christianed, no, we celebrate david killing goliath. there are many instances of scripture were people is sarcas. that has been lost. there are many people, if got a watered-down kind of christianity. they are offended by trump. they seem to think that being nice is what it means to be a christian. if someone is raping a family member and you sit there and say i'm going to pray about it but i'm not going to try to stop that, it brings us to bond off. the most christian thing he could do was participate in a plot to kill hitler because he understood that there were victims. you are to blame and actually interestingly when kristallnacht happened, he knew that this attack by these mobs as far as i'm concerned, more animated by the spirit of antichrist, these are not just political mobs, there's something deeper and darker, he understood that this attack on the synagogues, it was an attack on god himself. there is a rage and a sense of envy that, you know i don't like to use the word too lightly, b

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it is original identity was a christian place of worship.history, and thenit these things happen in history, and then it served as a mosque for more than 500 years and in fact when the turks conquered istanbul they have yet sofia was not one of the central places of worship for christianity, in fact it was thanks to the work of the ottomans that the building continue to live, otherwise it would have collapsed. we don't have time to delve into every point and twist and turn in history but obviously the fact that it was a christian place of worship for nearly 1000 yea rs place of worship for nearly 1000 years in any muslim place of worship for 500 years means that it has a shared history, obviously, so the argument of critics of this move say that it should have been kept as a shared museum for everybody. let us turn to specific practical questions. will rebuilding still be a world heritage site? it will preserve its identity as a world cultural heritage site, of course it is up to unesco to make its decision but there are mosques and other pl

attacks on christianity are more ignored than deep lore yeah that's interesting why do you think that is steve i think george of raises a really good point there and you know we have to be careful i'm catholic george i think you're catholic just for disclosure here steve are your christian. yeah you know i think he hit on something very important there and it's the silence of the media in general christians are open target it's free game it's a free for all whether it's easter sunday or whatever it may be and these attacks are open and what you're not seeing you're not seeing militant methodists and barbarian baptists taking to the street quite the opposite as pointed out it's an arc as far left fringe and focusing and i go back to to the idea that it's an attack on the fundamental foundations of all of these nations of western civilization they attack the churches run the churches out because it's an easy target maybe these young people went to churches and they didn't like the experience and of course the catholic church i'm i'm sorry to say has been has become an easier target beca

that is the christian case. not that he is perfect, none of us are perfect, not that he is without sin because all of us sin but on these aspects of a true understanding of citizenship, he is someone that we can work with, who offered to defend these things and advance the common good. >> host: as a long time political strategist and activist and insider do you see this president is suffering more slings and arrows than previous occupants of the white house? >> guest: it seems to come with the office. if you study and read american history as i have and you read the things that were said about thomas jefferson that he was an infotel and an agent of the french government, sound. reminiscence, doesn't it? the things that were said about abraham lincoln, things that were said about fdr, that he wanted to be a dictator, so it does come with the territory but in trump's case at least in the modern political era post-world war ii i have never seen anything like it. part of it is because he takes on the media, gives as

and the move has sparked international dismay the historic high of sophia once a symbol of christian and muslim unity become a source of religious divide but. for more on the story let's bring in our correspondent dorian jones who's standing by for us in istanbul hi dorian how do you see this is this a religious or a political decision from president are to one. well the president one who is very religious openly acknowledge that this have been a lifelong dream of his to turn. back to a mosque but why now he's chosen to do this after nearly 20 years in power it all smells of politics he's ruling a k party is in deep political trouble polling at record lows albeit still the number one party the trajectory is in one direction down because of the country's economic woes and the congress he today was all about reaching out to one's religious and nationalist base but one before the start of friday packed prayers recited the koran images that were broadcast all over turkey while the head of turkey's religious affairs who led the friday prayers carried all sorts a symbol of conquest of the

christian: i do.y curve of the pandemic outbreak, it strikes you as surprising that anybody would be more confident on the an on theook th european outlook. europe has brought the numbers of the first wave of the pandemic down across the continent. we are at numbers where you can control single outbreaks, and many of the strong outbreaks in local areas without huge image to the economy. the u.s. never got to that stage and now they are already in a second wave, very difficult to control without another wave of lockdowns, which will increase economic damage. if you don't manage it, you undermine consumer confidence and undermine the recovery. on the monetary fund, yes, the fed brought down borrowing costs more than the ecb was able to. on the fiscal side, there is nothing between the u.s. and the response. given the management of crisis has been better, i think europe has a better chance of getting out of this better than the u.s., it depends whether or not there will be a second wave. nejra: right. on

do-nothing christians. let's be due-something christians. let's tell our neighbors the truth.n on november 3, like a mighty army, we need to march to the polls and vote and reelect donald trump as our continued president of the united states of america. amen? amen. todd: amen. thank you so much, dr. lee. going to have you take a seat. one that iseaker is a personal joy and delight for me to be able to introduce. it is pastor paula white. come on. [applause] you need to understand something. i am a southern baptist teacher who is called to serve a charismatic, spirit filled woman pastor. if you know anything about southern baptist world, that just doesn't jive, does it? but i will tell you i have never seen a more grace-filled woman in all my life. i have never seen a person bring the body of life -- the body of christ together more than this modern-day esther. i want you to welcome the presidents pastor, senior advisor to the president, and the one who oversees the white house center for faith and opportunity initiative, my boss, my friend, pastor paula white. ms. white: it is

"the battle for the soul of america and how christians can win it." in welcoming atlanta's own dr. richard lee. [applause] lee: thank you, my brother. flag?e saluted the let me hear you. haploid? ?> no -- have we >> dr. lee: let's pledge allegiance and all stand together. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, with liberty and justice for all. amen. all right, you can be seated. i want to thank my friend ralph reed for going so long. that helps me tonight, and dr. king for her wonderful message from the lord, and all the rest who spoke here tonight, especially jentezen, my dear friend and buddy. i think we met for the first time years ago when we were doing a tv promo together. it has been a long time. i want to talk to you about the church. my charge tonight was to talk about the church. outside of jesus christ, which is the basis of all we say and do, the church of the lord jesus is special to me. i was a pastor in this town for 32 years. for 61 years, there was

as christian christians we're not only called to be citizens of god yet to become, we're called to be citizens on earth, whatever society or nation we happen to be a part of and where if you look at the old and the new testament, there's a consistent and clear teaching that we are to exercise that citizenship in a robust and muscular fashion. first of all, to defend our rights within that government, which of course in the united states means our rights under the constitution and the bill of rights. to the freedom of speech, to assembly, to freedom of religion. all of those things that are our birthright, and then secondly, as a witness of our faith. so in the context of the decision by the overwhelming majority of evangelical christians and pro-life and pro family and faithful roman catholics to back trump, both in 2016 and today, my argument in the book is that if you look at where he stands on the issues, that they would define as moral issues, issues central to their way, issues like right to life, right to freedom, defense of the state of israel. moving the court in the direction

and i have heard good christians we have i i tried to call christian but it went straight to his voicemail gun that my husband arrived and my brother and his girlfriend when i realized at once that something terrible had happened and i knew christian would not be coming home again money was tight of course the minute hold a call he along with hundreds of thousands of others had gone to the last parade into spoke on july 24th 2010 to party and listen to music the venue was not an open field but enclosed there was only one access ramp where tunnel and underpasses converged people were streaming in from different directions the crash became so extreme that many had difficulty breathing 21 died 650 more were injured. because john miller was 25 when he died. it was just a mother when you look at how narrow the space was you have to ask yourself how could it ever have been approved you can see at once that it was not suitable for mitt rules. finally in 2017 several workers from the municipality and the events for him were put on trial it became clear that the eventually never have been approved

one thing about us if we are christian they will know us.tant we don't worship government, we worship god. i'm not going to take too long. i am an evangelist. people say can't teach, you came from a long line of teachers. i'm more like a teacher because i thought college a long time and i was a state legislature was listening and reading the bible recently. this wasn't supposed to happen. [laughter] at the time of this ignorance come he now commands all people everywhereed to repent. bishop jackson was in the white house recently. deliver this nation. i haven't seen so much prayer in the oval office and i am 70-years-old. [applause] so there was a time he isn't winking or overlooking anything come he isn't laughing and these are serious times. i want to remind you you might l ve seen it on the news, but that isn't all that i do, i raise grandchildren nowadays and all that kind of thing. it's got nothing to do with anything but we have a little garden outside and i had the most beautiful plans they were growing into the next day they would be

i assume it is for many people here in turkey the old hymn it's symbol of the muslim composed of christian constantino pl that is how istanbul was cold back then and many people say they have been longing for this to happen for the past decades basically since the i.s.o. fear was turned into a museum 86 years ago by turkey's state found him now ed one knows about the symbolism but it seems that is also help him helping him politically he clearly seems to sing so right now his popularity ratings are not looking very good the turkish economy has suffered a lot during the coronavirus endemic so for add on the ideas of fear is some kind of a joke or card he has posed now to really behind him his. conservative islamic base. but the hardest of all. what is going to change it inside historic. what we haven't been allowed inside yet but what we understand it will from what we've seen from today's images they have rolled out a took was carpets that is one change for sure in the past 2 weeks but one of the biggest debates is about the christian i thin and liz aid because islam forbids the depiction

much different than islam and christianity, it is about tu rkey‘s islam and christianity, it is about see this in a much wider context. what does a single building where it is pushing very decisively ina where it is pushing very decisively in a different direction and historians and scholars and people of religion, whatever your faith, historians and scholars and people of religion, whatever yourfaith, i think this gets, takes second place from the wider political statements that they are making with this move. are people right to make similarities between this and the ottoman empire? the ottoman empire was extremely tolerant and islam had specific protections for christians and christian churches as well and for making sure that christians were protected as they went about prayer, but with cities and locations being involved, things become more complicated so the question is, why when 86 years ago this was made into a museum that it works for visitors of the magnificent city as you know very well, it is a glorious location and a place of profound spiritual value, both with its christ

in eastern christianity's or for the orthodox christians until the amounts conquered. because of the nobility in 4053 and the convert it into a mosque now under other turkey in the early 20th century they made it into a you see it was part of that secular sation to make it into well as i should put it positioning it urges a secular state and also along with and or sister to be a good bridge between the east and west so imitating some of history but also being more european so again i can understand why turkish muslims then would like to we will not care for the fact that our most cus been clear to me see him for almost a century and it would like kept returned to a place of worship however they shouldn't also recognize that for christians to have similar concerns a serious affair was not billed as a most ill that's like a federal. and this kind of this is the national sovereignty of course of turkey to decide what it should do and how everything indicates what kind of country turkey will be obvious.

and who is based here in istanbul he warned it would disappoint christians worldwide and quote fracture east and west u.s. secretary of state mike pump a 0 has also urged turkey to respect the ioseph ias museum status so domestically turning it back into a mosque might be a triumph for for a certain time but internationally it certainly comes with a lot of risks ok that's han at the highest for us in istanbul thank. and you have to date it's been great having your company will be with you at the top of the next hour of i. love. to. go beyond. the stories that matter to me. i'm really. more of really takes. a running now.

or non-christian traditions. they are revoking gods, they are revoking demons, they are doing which craft. some of it seems like play, some of it seems like experiment, some of it seems to have real belief. how do you see the question a belief playing out there? >> i think it is very difficult to quantify. very difficult to disentangle from any of these other practices. as you say, as i argue in the book, many definitions of religion, certainly definitions that would say does not matter at all. definitions that say are they claimed, yes or no. i think that the truth is something a little bit more complicated. if you have found something to be true and you act as if it were true or if you act in accordance with the values that you create, you kind of reaffirm the truth of that within a community such that there is a social reality that is something a little bit more complex than i would argue inward than a model where everyone is doing something and no one believes it, but they are pretending to get along which i

there are many in church and turkey stays by a sufi as should be open to worship for both christians and muslims and your thoughts christian church is concerned that the transformation from birth of your soul we drove was really bizarre paul millions of researchers around the wall and the us will feel relieved you reads this is a vital. worth is is a member is the worst really for up to this to. present trajectory fired on say is i also feel i can function like the nearby blue mosque open today the prayers and tourists at the same time became took part in turkey a muslim country we are free to worship anywhere we want no one has any say on it. petitions were signed by turks to support the conversion but their opponents usual that i procured them this is sad a blow to our tourism i believe is not good for turkey mccomb original point is sophia to a mosque is a popular discussion in turkey and has support from the public along with the nationalist and conservative parties until last year president add on state out of the debate have ever he is very vocal about it now many believe it's

symbol of christian and muslim unity may become a source of religious divide but. well straight to istanbul where we join d.w. correspondent dorian jones joining what more can you tell us about president everyone's motivation in issuing this decree to turn the i associate back into a mosque. well prison speaking after the friday prayers said that this had been an ambition of his since his youth to convert the eye of sophia back to a mosque. one needs a very religious and pious man but there's a lot of politics behind this move heard one has been in power for nearly 20 years but why now he's taken such a dramatic move it is because his ruling party is suffering very low poll ratings the lowest since the party has been in office and being hit very hard by the economic woes of the country because the covert 19. epidemic now for out the ceremony we use for very powerful in images aimed at rallying not only the religious but the nationalist base heard one recited the koran before the friday prayers commands and then the prayers and cells carried out by the head of turke

there are many in church and turkey stays by a sufi as should be open to worship for both christians and muslims and your thoughts christian church is concerned that the transformation from birth of your soul we drove was really bizarre boiled millions of researchers around the wall and the us will feel relieved reads this is a vital. worth is is a member is the worst really thrive to these to. present trajectory fired on say as i also feel i can function like the nearby blue mosque often today the prayers and tourists at the same time came to put in turkey a muslim country we are free to worship anywhere we want no one has any say on it. physicians were signed by the church to support the conversion but their opponents you do a lot of this is said to our tourism i believe is not good for turkey michael marginal point is sophia to a mosque is a popular discussion in turkey and has support from the public along with the nationalist and conservative parties until last year president adams stayed out of the debate how ever he is very vocal about it now many believe it's a political move

cathedral served as a computer or that instantiates deforming lots of christians have a history there as well and in the piece and that you quoted the article i wrote for a new york times i looked into the islamic. world today on this i mean was it right to couldn't i guess oh here in the 15th century from any stomach point because some people might think that was some scheme and converted all the churches which is not true if you go to in the history of the middle east you will see that muslim conquerors did not can we were actually in many churches that's why in jerusalem there are historic churches like there are church of holy simple prayer various sacred purposes muslims didn't touch those end because there is nothing in the koran which justifies the can reason our churches into master synagogues and there is nothing in the practice of the prophet mohammad but then most of us started to justify conversion to some extent and i explained that this was imperial policy it did not come from the koran or the prophet but imperial all of the of the time which was normal for if you will n

of museum back into a mosque president irvine was one of hundreds of invited guests originally a christian cathedral the building has stood at the heart of istanbul for 1500 years. president everyone personally began friday prayers with a recitation from the koran this is the 1st time muslim friday prayers have been held in the highest sophia for 86 years. just 2 weeks ago turkey's highest administrative court canceled the building status as a museum and then ordered it to be used as a mosque despite covert 1000 thousands of believers began gathering outside the istanbul landmark last night started for us it's a symbol of islam or rather the i assume feels symbolizes the victory of islam over christianity so you want thanks to our revered president trichet type heir to juan and more importantly i think god we can finally pray here again yet it will go none of the other fellow critics say the transformation of pius a few takes the country one step further away from a secular church. and they say heir to one is using this to score points with conservative voters and distract from domestic po

the body camera video released by the sheriff's department, shows christians final hours.d is covered with a spit mask. the lieutenant in charge decided to chain him to the cell door with his hands find us back. the family said he was supposed to be checked on every 15 minutes one check was not done. christian managed move his hands in front and use the chain to kill himself. >> connect these are not sanctioned. we do not in any way shape or form condone those restraints. >> reporter: i did ask him why the lieutenant would order christian chained to the door if this court sort of restraint was not taught. >> this was a decision made by the individual. the individual operated outside of policy. >> we are actually trying to fight the student a. >> reporter: the family says the deputies have claimed that christian was aggressive. the video shows him in a passive state. his parents say the deputies treated christian like a criminal instead of someone in crisis, and in need of help. and >> i am shocked. >> nobody did nothing to help him. i wish one would have done that. it will

chairman ralph reed talks about his book for god and country in which he discusses why evangelical christians support president trump. this is 35 minutes. >> what is the case? >> guest: the case in a nutshell is that as christians we are called not only to be citizens of the kingdom of god, which is both here now and yet to come but they are also called on whatever society or nation we happen to be a part of. there is a teaching that we are to exercise that citizenship in a robust fashion for the freedom of speech and assembly to freedom of religion al also this that are our birthright. and second is a witness of our faith so in the context of the decision by the overwhelming majority of evangelical christians have pro-life and profamily roman catholics to back trump in 2016 and today my argument in the book is if you look at where he stands on the issues they would define as moral issues central to their faith, issues like the right to life, the right to religious freedom, defense of the state of israel moving the courts in the direction of respect for the constitution and bill o the bilf ri

denies it and says tucker knows it's not true scotty no use in line oh we'll discuss churches in christian statues are under attack here in the u.s. and again media silence. how is this possible to touch a sweet reports and the president of the camp the glee bill donahue will be here to discuss and if you think you know al sharpton think again who is this m s n b c host the media turns to for his input on civil rights issues a new presidential candidates run to for a seal of approval you may be surprised i'm steve malzberg let's see the press. releases. by. well you probably don't know this because the media won't tell it to you but this week america and the world in fact received more indisputable evidence that while the new york times and the washington post were plastering page one with stories of trump campaigns russian collusion the f.b.i. knew all along that it was total nonsense the new york post editorial from last monday points to a february 2017 times piece to cleric phone records and intercepted calls show that members of trump's campaign and other trump associates had repeated

christian: that is correct. think most of the forecast, based on this assumption that we will have a recovery from here and that it may be long, euro, not a v-shaped come but i think it will get better from here. we gocall it a v, where back into a recession and possibly we will have to go back as bad asns, closing the ones that we had in march and april. i think that would raise difficult questions, particularly on the fiscal side. is veryas inflation weak, i would assume that central banks continue to support the policy meetings. they would continue to load the debt that is being issued by fiscal agents on the balance sheet. if there is no inflation, it does seem that there is something that they can do for some time. i think that combination of fiscal largess, combined with an aggressive qe, would remain the policy response if we had a second wave. kind of policy response are we going to see from pboc and chinese authorities? rally two weeks ago was suddenly stopped. does that give us more of a sense of thing