today we have obama, christie cuomo and bloomberg.ple and you can see why this worked. i think the stewardship back then was exactly right and the stewardship going forward, i think, is going to continue to keep new york growing. remember conventional wisdom, charlie, back after the terrible tragedy of '01 was at everybody was going to move out of new york, every company was going to move at least half of their business out. nobody was ever gog to live downtown. no tourists would ever come to new york. new york would go back to the bad old days of high crime. and every single one of those things was just not wrong it was... they were dead wrong. it's 180 degrees opposite today. there are double the number of people living downtown than live downtown on 9/11 01. there are more people living downtown today than live downtown in any year since 1920. tourism, there were seven hotels that were downtown before 9/11 '01, everybody said they'd go out of business. today they're 26 hotels and they're all virtually full. >> rose: so it is now a

obvious. >> but anyway -- >> with age come wisdom. >> share with me the wisdom of watching christie and cuomoling as if p it's deja vu all over again. >> it is. the only thing i can't do is tell you how to stop it. the fact is certain candidates who people really want to run are going to play this game. it's just attractive to christie. he doesn't want to rule it out entirely. however, he really doesn't want to run and i don't blame him because if the tea party doesn't like rick perry's politics, when will they get a load of the straight talk from chris christie? it's just incredible to me how people get to -- so attracted to bright and signny object of a new candidate. when that candidate falls short of perfection. remember, john mccain's straight talk, you know? >> they run for the hills. >> yeah. >> beth, how much could really be this chris christie being polite, you don't want to dismiss these folks but you have to show them their due respect and say i technically have two more weeks if you look at the proe process, i'll give it two more weeks? >> certainly it's in his interest to keep th

christie isn't zo that. what you don't have in the cuomo model from the past is a series of statements by governor cuomo saying i absolutely won't do it. christie has solid statements and referred to them at the reagan library, he said that's my answer. he said, look at those -- >> then he played with that woman who said, please do it for us, do it for your trip -- >> he tried -- the first version was typical christie dismissed and forget about it. then a woman comes along very emotional. in the swoon of christie mania, as if a beatle was on the stage. he had to meet her emotionally or he would have been regarded as a kind of too cold and crude guy. so he kind of met her emotionally and said i understand why you feel about this and tried to say or i don't, pointed to his heart and in effect it's not in me right now. >> if this were the script of west wing and jimmy schmit's character is getting up there, he's going to say in two weeks or so when the deadlines are real, that he's not going. >> once you get to the deadlines yes, in the meantime, he's doing everything right. he should stream this up as much as he

but andrew cuomo and chris christie are defying political gravity right now. >> and by doing the right thing, they're reaping political benefits. and this is where everyone in washington has it all mixed up. they are suffering the political consequences of doing all the wrong things. and, look, governor christie is remarkable. i don't know that what he's doing and the way he's doing it can be replicated exactly by anybody in washington. you know, perhaps by this president, perhaps this president could tackle things in the way that governor christie does and have some success. but he's in a league of his own. unfortunately, he is one of one. there are not a slew of other people that rise to his level of being able to articulate a fence of american exceptionalism that isn't a political bludgeon. there is nobody else who can articulate capitalism that doesn't suggest winners and losers. and there is nobody who can indict the right and left with credibility and without looking down their nose at their own party. nobody. >> i don't want to oversimplify this formula for success, but it is a

most successful governors in the country, the governor from new york, andrew cuomo and the republican from new jersey chris christie. chris christie gets a lot of the attention because of the national implications if he runs or not. but he's been a very effective governor. i think that people are craving somebody who can take the fight to the president. who can communicate clearly and chris christie fits that bill. >> i think, of course, i think there are other people who would look at more liberal governors and say they're doing stuff under the radar but not getting national attention because nobody's looking for liberal governors to be running now. i think if he tries to run on his record it raises this issue of whether or not his crusade against the unions in new jersey is the kind of thing that can be nationalized into a winning message. we've seen that in wisconsin, we've seen that in ohio, we've seen that in florida. we've seen that with all these republican governors. chris christie nationally marketed it. do republicans really want to win on we hate unions? >> look, i think it's more problematic than simply

christie decides. >> you have to run your own race the best you can. and that person of course was governor cuomo.kind of the highlight of the democratic party. he wowed the convention the previous cycle. everybody wanted him to get in. they were pining for him. what clinton did was stake out his own set of policy decisions. in contrast with cuomo's. he did get in december 20th or 21st about the same period. the process has sped up so much this seems later. he was -- he felt like a more real candidate in the sense that he was nationally known. he'd been sort of a serious player on the national scene. but he -- i'm sorry. chris christie is a mirage. >> robert, chris christie, fair point that he's a mirage. seems he's got a national network being developed for him. >> yeah. he's on autopilot right now. if he wants to get in, i believe he'll be the number two on the race. i don't think he'll get in. he's got a lot of damning quotes out there on him. >> rush limbaugh started it. questioning whether he's conservative enough and if the establishment thinks he's conservative enough. >> right. >> stick ar

cuomo ordered national guard anditate police in and around ground zero. and spoke to king. who said very specific details were made known about the attack. back to you. >> we'll go to governor christy who is speaking in a ceremony to honor new jerseyians who lost their lives. >> thank you very much and thank you chairman sampson and governor mcgreevey and governor defran siso. who was the leader of our state in 2001 and governor corzine. thank you for being here. lieutenant governor giordano. thank you for being here and senator lauten and men endez thank you for being part of the remembrance and leadership of our state. thank you for showing us once again the gifts that god bestows on all of us and putting them on full display to inspire us again. lori, thank you. reverend jackson, thank you, sir, for being here and your eloquent and inspiring innoication. we thank you for being someone who supports all of those in need in our state and especially those today in need of support and remembrance. despite the fact that today, you've hearted remarks from chairman sampson and senator lautenburg and senator meneppeds and me as governor of new jersey, today is not about any of us. we sta

christie. he went in there and said i got to talk to the unions. governor cuomo said i got to renegotiate. governor kasich did the same thing. now is the governor of illinois going to have the courage and determination to go in there and take on the unions? so far the answer has been no, let's raise taxes which is why everybody is going across the border to ohio. >> let's look at how the salaries break down. $15,000 a year was their salary when they began. $115,000 a year, their pension at 51. those are the retired city workers but the amount they're going to collect is $4 million a piece by the time each of those city workers is 78. maybe they won't make the buffet rule in one year but they make it over time. >> that's a lot of money but at the same time, can you really claw back something that was written into the state? you know, a deal is a deal. going forward, i'm sure they're not going to have those kind of lucrative deals but still -- >> i'll say this -- >> they got it on -- in their deal. >> who do you like better? the workers that are working now that ar