this is one corcoran is preparing to actually tell christina bobb it will be okay. we've done a diligent search and we have turned over everything. that was a lie. that is a serious lie. and in sort of prosecutorial terms, a very clean one. a clean place of obstruction. and everything here, and it is not just the words, not just the testimony -- we have invoices. we have tantalizing personal audio recordings. clearly -- it is almost -- the least it could be is very strong evidence of trump participating in a clear violation with that subpoena and the false declaration. it could be the centerpiece of this mar-a-lago case. and it seems possibly that it kind of is close to the final nail in the case he is building. >> the bar here -- and i've had multiple folks on the show throughout the last year, montes, making this point, barbara. somebody was saying that anytime the department of justice wanted to penetrate attorney-client privilege, you need to go up to basically the number two at the department. this is not done lightly, you know. what are the conditions under wh

they have quizzed multiple trump attorneys involved with the documents case, including christina bobb and jesse banal. all just another sign that the special counsel is in fact picking up the pace of its investigation, especially as the 2024 presidential election starts to take shape. joining me now is andrew weissmann, msnbc legal analyst, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of the mueller probe. always great to talk to you. i want to zero in on the the second first i talked about. evan corcoran, i'm not a lawyer. my stipulation here, but he seems to be the person that seems to be in particular an interesting peril, because he's the one who signed off on the attestation that trump with his lawyers' help, had given all the classified documents back. that turned out to be so untrue that they had to do an fbi search. is the fact that he's being questioned about this mean that he can't throw up attorney/client privilege and say whatever we talked about regarding the documents is privileged? >> so to remind people, there are two lawyers who were involved in that attestatio

the justice department, 38 classified records along with an affidavit signed by trump lawyer christina bobb saying that they had completed what they called, a diligence search of the trump property, and that all record subject to the subpoena were being handed over right there at that moment on that day. and that was good enough for some fbi officials. some fbi field agents then argue to prosecutors that they were inclined to believe trump and his team had delivered everything the government sought to protect and said the borough should close down its criminal investigation. close it down on june 3rd! if those fbi agents got their way, donald trump would still have in his possession, in florida, more than 100 classified records. 18 of them top sacred, along with thousands of pages of government documents that were seized two months later with a search warrant that those same fbi agent argued against. with the fbi you have to learn to take the good with a bad. that has been true every day of the 150-year history of the federal bureau of investigation. our fbi director jared hoover who ran at

which is that in june, the fbi was willing to just take on face value the declaration they got -- christina bobb and evan corcoran -- that's of the we were turned everything. it despite of the whole history, and then ultimately the surveillance tape that show that that wasn't the case. and that is remarkable, and as you said, i think this is and neil will bear this out, a little second piece of this unusual; is just not usually the case that the fbi is the one that is being cautious in saying, let's not do something. and of all people, national security division and this particular group within that national security advisor and has a reputation for being fairly cautious within main justice. i've always had that view that i would've expected them to be the break on the fbi wanting to do more. and then the final piece is that the main agent who was sort of leading the charge, saying that he's not convinced. it was the head of the washington field office who since retired. he is the same fellow who said about the january 6th events that the fbi had no evidence, at all, that they have any sort of w

believe the information that i put in the draft certification, and then gabe, by the way, to christina bobbch is a little suspicious as to why he didn't sign it himself. when he's going to say, this is where you wanted formation, that is the critical for the u. s. -- government was, knows where did you get information? and it could be really compelling evidence, that is in the hands of the judge, because they could have a witness, mr. corcoran, having direct conversations with the former president, saying exactly what should be on the certification, but all documents have been returned to the government when we know that is not the case. so this could be quite an eventful day for jack smith not investigation, and it's not clear after this how much more they need to do, to bring charges here, particularly with respect to obstruction of justice, and false statements, based on the testimony of mr. corcoran. >> so barbara, here's what i'm wondering about, evan corcoran, here he represents a pathological liar, someone who knows is a pathological liar, before he ever goes to work for him as a law

that's what christina bobb did. she was then called in, pointed a finger at corcoran. and now corcoran's day of reckoning is upon us. >> as we heard from kaitlan, we have yet to hear from him and his response, but we'll keep a close eye on it. dave amberg, thank you. >>> former vice president mike pence joins a growing list of republicans who are speaking out against florida governor ron desantis and his views on ukraine. both men are expected to join the race for president in the coming weeks. >>> a map of stinky seaweed has started to wash ashore in florida. we're live from key west, next. but to the people who build them there's nothing 'small' about them.. that's why at t-mobile for business... you'll save more than $1,000 versus verizon. and with price lock guarantee, we'll never raise your rate plan. so you can keep your focus on toe-turns and making sure the sauce is extra spicy. at t-mobile, there are no small businesses. ♪ that run with the champ was magical. i mean the tender chicken, the peppercorn ranch... i lovey rings but i'll cherish that lunch... foreve

what we know about the statement is evan corcoran drafting it, but christina bobb, a different lawyer signs in. i wonder if you are interested for the sort of choreography of the signing of that statement, because it suggests that there are inferences drawn about who knew what and terms of dylan galatea that statement. >> and that is why one of the questions that i have, is evan corcoran going to come forward willingly? if he's somebody that says that i want to tell you what i know, i have to clear my name and the people that worked with me, but then trump is going to block him. it's a secret of events that suggests that if trump intervened to stop him from going forward, stopping him from talking, i don't know because this is all happening in secret, and it's all under seal, we just get bits and pieces here in there. it's hard to always judge with the motivations are here, but one of the theories around why the appeals court moved in such urgency, is because perhaps he was ready to come say what he knew, and if he didn't step into adjudicate this, it might be too late. we saw very si

there are so many lawyers who are involved in different cases, as either counselor witnesses, christina bobb is involved in the jan sixth staff but she's also a potential witness, and classified documents, evan corchoran's eyewitness in the classified documents, case but his counsel to trump, and the john six case. i mean it is, seems to be, not a lawyer. it seems like a nightmarish arrangement when you talk about counsel and multiple probes who were cross pollinating things as councils are witnesses. >> yeah, the only thing surprising to me that i could see the diagram is of their five -- get involved in these. cases with the former president. i think trump has done the masterfully at. times it's a way of putting a buffer between him in the law when he oftentimes has lawyers you can see that with michael cohen sort of how we handled him and what went on when he asked him to do. and we now have a story wound up there. and even here, mr. corchoran, he is writing a letter as opposed to trump giving the letter, trump side of the certification. cars that is fact his property, his residency, but

as corcoran's role in drafting document signed on june 3rd by another trump a thorny attorney, christina bobb, asserting that to the best of her knowledge o diligent search of the premise have been conducted in that al documents in response to the subpoena had been handed over. according to a separate report jack smith has subpoenae dozens of trump staff in the documents case at least two dozen people from mar-a-lago resort staff to members of donald trump's inne circle at the florida estate have been subpoenaed to testif to a federal grand jury that's investigating the former president's handling o classified documents multiple sources familiar with the investigation told cnn the staffers are of interest t investigators because of wha they may have seen or hear while on their daily dutie around the estate, including whether they saw boxes o documents in trump's offic suite or elsewhere they're casting an extremely wide net anyone and everyone who migh have seen something. said one source familiar wit the judge's department efforts. and in washington yesterday, margot martin, a trump loyalis

witness to one is a phone call that he had with trump, and the other is instructions he gave to christina bobb an affidavit that said there had been a diligent search and that all of the documents had been turned over. and she actually cleverly added some language to that, saying based on information that i have been given, because she didn't do the search, corcoran did the search so he could be responsible for a deliberate falsification of information, and that could get him into criminal trouble himself. not just in helping his client and he would be the second lawyer on the trump team who has had this happen. eastman had the same thing, where the judge concluded that he and trump had probably more likely than not committed a crime together that's one of the only ways that you can force a lawyer to give up the confidential information provided it is something that every lawyer knows and that every client should know so there's no big deal and donald trump's defense claiming that this is a terrible thing is just nonsense. >> i want to actually play -- you know, let me play you this one. trump

and how the recording was done, and how the letter that came through christina bobb was written.t does that tell us, the tells us that they're looking for obstruction by trump. and that's a huge deal. and all the time i prosecute a case is at doj, and all the time i prosecuted teaches for the attorney's office in d.c.. and i was a low level prosecutor in brooklyn. i don't remember them piercing the attorney client privilege. if it's even. dan the fact that you do it with the ex president of the united states is so huge. it's such a bombshell. that we cannot communicate to you enough about how serious that means that this court thinks that trump exposure is on obstruction. >> my, i have a minute left. i want to get a summation for you, from you, i gave sort of a litany of the cases that are pending and it seems as though they're all hitting at the same time. this it matter which one really drops first, does it change the efforts by other prosecutors if the new york da, the grand jury levels their charges and there is an indictment coming, down how does that play into the interacti

and there are other attorneys who i blame might have even been christina bobb, who sort of paused at that and signing their names to those documents because they were going to be put in a position of having to sign attesting to affect that they knew not to be true. any classified documents cases going to hinge on the knowledge of the defendant that he was holding onto documents despite having received information that that he shouldn't have had them. so it is critical information. it is profound because of how important the attorney client privileges to pierce that relationship, so we'll see where it goes. but this is this is a big step. now look and to be clear. it's a lower bar than than accusing someone of a crime in court or convicting somebody. all you know, you just have to establish this is not even probable cause, um, climates committed, but it is a finding by a court that it has, and that's significant walk through the legal issue. use here. jack smith, the special counsel, donald trump takes these documents. so the question is. why does he take them? how are they handled wi

here you had christina bobb who sent a letter to the department of justice saying we turned over all the documents. that wasn't true. that was a lie. is she guilty of obstruction? the grand jury heard from her or the doj heard from her, one of the two, and she pointed the finger at evan corcoran. i didn't draft that letter, it was evan corcoran, but you should never sign a letter you didn't draft yourself. there's evidence apparently that says that it was trump who instructed evan corcoran to make these false statements. so one of these folks is going down for this in my view. is it going to be trump, is it going to be evan corcoran or both? it looks like evan corcoran is starting to point the finger at his client. >> hugo lowell let's talk about the reporting at the top of the show about trump apparently suggesting he wants to be handcuffed and be perp walked in and become a martyr of some kind. i don't think anyone actually believes that. where does the trump camp believe this whole thing is headed in manhattan right now? >> a good question. their understanding of this case has shi

s office requested an interview with trump attorney christina bobb.hope to gain, whose role in trump's handling of classified documents is under review in a different federal doj probe. reports are that bobb plans to deny that request, according to her lawyer john lauro. one echo is trump's lawyers getting lawyers. i want to bring in "atlanta journal-constitution" reporter greg bluestein. charlie savage pulitzer prize-winning washington correspondent. and here with me for the hour a former southern district civil attorney and former federal candidate in new york maya wiley. welcome to all of you. greg, walk us through why this matters. we're talking about a filing in a case where there's actually no case, or that is to say no case of d.a. vs. donald trump as a defendant. >> yeah, exactly. and that's what was so surprising. there's no case yet. there could be but there's no case yet. the district attorney here in fulton county, fani willis, has said that charges -- or a decision could be imminent, but imminent in prosecutorial standard time is very dif