i'm christina brown and shaheen with lauren co hosts of the on council culture podcast. thank you all so much for your time. thank you for being part of the discussion today, christine, and show him. i'd like to start with you. we decided to do this. busy because as we observe the internet here on the stream, um, if you was like there's no escaping counsel culture as a concept. but as a concept that has evolved over the years and it has different meaning to different people. can i get you to 1st define what council culture actually is? of course i think when we talk about cancel culture, we are specifically referring to parts of reality or the idea that people deserve to be punished when they do things that we don't like or that wouldn't gain to be socially unacceptable. and when we talk about cancel culture, but just using language that is accessible to more people to be ality is that there is no such thing as canceled culture. cancel culture is just basically car. so reality and it's like most accessible format. it is a way for people too often insight mobs to take dow