. >> jennifer: i'd like to start tonight by introducing you to christina taylor green she's an energicrd grader with a passion for dancing and baseball. she's the only girl on her little league team, and girl after my own heart she has a keen interest in politics, which is why two years ago today christina taylor green went to meet her congressional representative gabby giffords. on that day the same spray of gunfire that hit giffords killed christina green. the pain of losing a nine-year-old child is simply unimaginable. but her mother is turning her own heartbreak to a call to action in an new ad today. >> the sandy hook shooting. i know how much it hurts. my daughter was killed in a shooting. i have one question, when will you have the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? whose child will have to die next? >> jennifer: the sign some leaders have the courage to stand up. some leaders do have that courage. three of them is gabby giffords herself. she and her husband announced an initiative to launch a national dialogue and raise funds to count the influence of the gun lobby. the seco

first bullet went into gabby's head but number thirteen went into a nine year old girl named christina taylor green who was very interested in democracy and our government and really deserved a full life could made it to advancing those ideas if he had a ten round magazine only back up when he tried to reload one thirty three round magazine with another thirty three round magazine he dropped it. and a woman named patricia mace grabbed it and it gave bystanders a time to tackle him i contend if that same thing happened when he was trying to reload one ten round magazine with another ten round magazine meaning he did not have access to a high capacity magazine and the same thing happened christina taylor green would be alive today i certainly want to disagree with mark kelly yeah i disagree with mark kelly the fact of the matter is this whether you have a five seven fifteen he would have pulled off at least five of those shots now with odds going to be that he might have hit five for five three four five we don't know but for the comments that i gave to believe that they cut bait am just anothe

the first bullet went into gabby's head, bullet 13 went into a nine-year-old girl named christina taylor green. if he had a ten round magazine, let me back up. when he tried to reload one 33 round magazine with another 33 round magazine he dropped it. and a woman grabbed it. it gave the people around him the time to tackle him. i contend if that same thing happened when he was trying to reload one ten-round magazine with another ten-round magazine, meaning he didn't have access to a high capacity magazine, and the same thing happened, christina taylor green would be alive today. >> the case against banning high-capacity magazines and assault weapons was made anecdotally by witnesses in favor of high-capacity magazi magazines. but all the anecdotes were about people defending themselves using more traditional firearms. >> i would like to begin with the compelling story of sarah mckinly. home alone with her baby, she called 911 when two violent intruders tried to break down her door. these men were breaking in to steal the prescriptions of the recently deceased husband. before the police a

bullet number 13 went into a-year-old girl named christina taylor green when he tried to reload one 33ound magazine with another 33 round magazine and he dropped it it and a woman named patricia mayse grabbed it and it gave bystander time to tackle him. i contend if that same thing happened when he was trying to reload one ten round magazine with another 10 round magazine, meaning did he not have access to a high capacity magazine and the same thing happened, christina taylor green would be alive today. i certainly am willing to give up my right to own a high capacity magazine to bring that young woman back that young girl. will not keep criminals from getting guns. he is calling for better enforcement of the laws on the booings. keep weapons out of the hands of mentally ill. >> law abiding gun owner will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. nor do we believe the government should dictate what we should lawfully own and use to protect our families. >> what responsible gun owner objects to improving the background check system? when i buy firearms in vermont i go through

she survived, six others died, including a 9-year-old girl named christina taylor green, who had come to see the congresswoman speak. she had just been elected to the student council. two years later, her mom, roxana is lending her voice to a campaign called, demand a plan to end gun violence. >> 21 heartbroken families lost a child in the sandy hook school shooting. i know how much it hurts. my 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the tucson shooting. i have one question for our political leaders. when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby. >> that's not all she has to say. i spoke to her earlier tonight. >> roxana, you appear in a new ad from mayors against illegal guns, in which you say, i have one question for political leaders, when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? do you believe that the time has come? that political leaders are ready to stand up? >> absolutely. i am very confident that our leaders in washington are going to do something. they already are. president obama and vice president biden are already, have already formed a committee

of their members, 74% of the nra members feel there should be sensible gun reform. >> we had christina taylor-green's mom in the last hour talking about the efforts. she has mobilized along with her family to make sure christina was not lost in vain two years ago. i want to play what she had to say. take a listen. >> we just want sensible gun control. we want to come up with a plan where everyone is rirped to have a background check, that military style weapons do not have to be owned by the average person, and that we come up with a mental health care plan. >> as we talk about patricia what needs to be done on a federal level nationally. what has been done in your community of arizona in the last two years that makes you feel that not only that community has done something to move forward but that can be used as an example for elsewhere? >> well, unfortunately i don't think much has been done at all. our state legislator during the -- right after the shootings decided that it was appropriate to name a state gun. that seemed like a slap in the face. we have a buy back -- gun buy back today by

. >> reporter: two years ago today 9-year-old christina-taylor green was the youngest shot in a grocery store. in a new campaign her mother is pleading for stricter gun laws. >> i have one question for our leaders, when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? >> reporter: her questions are part of a growing chorus around the country for gun prevention. today, calls for action were joined by a new voice, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords who was shot in the head in the arizona spree, launching an effort to curb gun violence. >> gabby and i are both gun owners. we are strong supporters of the second amendment but we've got to do something from getting the guns into the wrong hands. >> reporter: it's a sentiment that seems to be spreading. a gallup poll taken after newtown says 58% are tougher on gun sales. up 15 points from 2011 and nearly 2/3, 62% say it's time to ban high capacity ammunition magazines, the kinds often used in mass killings. all of this talk of gun restrictions meant banged up business at second amendment sports in tucson. >> because of the word ban

bullet went into gabby's head but what number thirteen went into a nine year old girl named christina taylor green who was very interested in democracy and our government and really deserved a full life could made it to advancing those ideas if he had a ten round magazine only back up when he tried to reload one thirty three round magazine with another thirty three round magazine he dropped it. and a woman named patricia mace grabbed it and it gave bystanders a time to tackle him i contend if that same thing happened when he was trying to reload one ten round magazine with another ten round magazine meaning he did not have access to a high capacity magazine and the same thing happened christina taylor green would be alive today i start going to disagree with mark kelly yeah i disagree with mark kelly the fact of the matter is this whether you have a five seven fifteen he would have pulled off at least five of those shots now with odds going to be that he might have hit five for five three four five we don't know but for the comments that i did they still believe that they cut bait him just a

bullet number 13 went into a 9-year-old girl named christina taylor green. >> reporter: lapierre said that new gun laws would only punish those who don't break the law. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of vie violent or deranged criminals. >> reporter: when it was over, kelly went over to shake lapierre's hand. the two had only agreed on one thing -- the need for stronger measures to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. but as giffords and kelly told diane sawyer earlier this month, they are hoping for more common ground than just that. >> so, it is the common sense consensus you're going for. >> we are. and i think most gun owners are in the same camp with us. >> when it can happen to children in a classroom, it's time to say -- >> enough. >> reporter: after the hearing was over, gabby giffords and mark kelly met with the president here at the white house. he is counting on them to help build public support for his gun control plans and he is going to need it, diane. right now, even the president's allies on capitol hill say it will be extremely

but because little christina taylor green the little 9-year-old girl who went to meet her congresswoman because she was killed with a bullet instead of killed by a bug we just turn a blind eye to it and don't do anything about it. >> john: my mom is a nurse as well nancy. i've grown up hearing a lot of healthcare professionals saying the things you say especially those who worked in emergency rooms. i have to ask, what kind of response do you get from some of your fellow arizonans when you publicly call for a change in our gun laws? >> well, you know, arizona is still a little bit of a hicktown here, you know. we grew up in the time of tombstone and such. and there are a lot of gun owners here. and i have very many friends that are gun owners. they hide behind the second amendment rights and i think that people, responsible people should have a right to own a gun to protect their property. but there is absolutely nothing that i can pull out of the second amendment that says that people should be allowed to have semi-automatic weapons, that can massacre massive amounts of people in secon

>> well, i'm going to make sure that christina taylor did not die in vain and the thousands of otheroung people and children that have died in the past. i'm in this for the long haul. i'm seriously -- and maybe i'm wrong, but i'm very, very confident that something will happen soon. >> let me ask you finally, because it is two years. what would you like people to remember about your little girl? >> christina was a beautiful little girl. she was very, very smart. she was a giver. and she wanted this country to be as good as she imagined it to be. for as long as it takes i'll fight with my friends and family to make sure the country is as good as she imagined. >> roxanne green, it is so good to be with us today. thank you so much. >> i appreciate it, thank you. >> today's tweet of the day comes from nicholas kristof. i also grew up driving and enjoying cars. why not regulate guns for safety the way we regulate cars. we've . when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american

in tucson within 45 seconds, killing six really good people, my colleague gabe zimmerman and christina taylor green, we have to act, for the mental health side and we have to do what we can to limit or eliminate access to these high-powered assault weapons and the high-capacity magazines that allowed so many people to be shot in such a short period of time. >> let me ask you this, as powerful as the nra is, it is not easy to fight gabby giffords. she has an enormous amount of support not only among her former congressmen, but across the country as well. she does elicit a lot of country, do you they they could work that to their advantage, how do you go up against gabby giffords and fight what she's doing? >> the congresswoman, as you point out is not only a national inspiration to all of us, but actually has a worldwide image that's very positive, and certainly her engaging as well as mark engaging, it will help a lot. you know, there are a lot of nra members in this country. we have significant evidence to suggest that they're not all opposed, in fact there may well be a majority in favors o

christina taylor green, 9 years old, born on 9/11 of 2001, was shot with the 13th bullet or after and others followed. the killer in the tucson shooting suffered from severe mental illness. even after being deemed unqualified for service in the army and expulsion from college, he was never reported to mental health authorities. on november 30th of 2010 he walked into a sporting good store and passed a background check and walked out with a semiautomatic hand gun. he had never been legally add jude indicated as mentally ill. even if he had, arizona at the time had over 121,000 records of disqualifying mental illness that it had not submitted into the system. looking back, we can't say with certainty only if we had done this, this would have never happened. there isn't just one thing that would have prevented the tucson shooting from being written into the history books. gabby is one of roughly 100,000 victims of gun violence in america each and every year. behind every victim lays a matrix of failure and inadequacy in our families and communities and values and in our society's approac

a new ad for mayors against illegal guns features the mother of christina taylor green.d lawmakers -- >> when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? >> reporter: congress will spend the next two months fighting about the death ceiling and cuts. rob and sunny, back to you. >> thank you. a couple of months may be optimistic. there is no guarantee whatsoever what congress is going to do. but it is an interesting moment that the nra is being brought to the table. that should be an encouraging sign that -- around that table there's going to be a nice balance of opinion. >> right. different voices. it's interesting, the nra claims $4.4 million was spent on congressional lobbying. the brady campaign spent $5,800. so there is a disparity in terms of the amount spent lobbying. but they all need to be around that table. there should be a happy medium. i think everyone agrees that the second amendment is there for a purpose, but let's reach a consensus on this. >> absolutely. there's no way you can have a healthy, balanced gun control debate without the nra at the

in this ad, it features the mother -- do you remember 9-year-old christina taylor green? the youngest person killed in that attack in tucson. >> my 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the tucson shooting. i have one question for our political leaders. when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? whose child has to die next? >> her mother, roxana green there, will be talking with me in the next hour. stay tuned for that. there is another perhaps surprising voice on green's side. stanley mcchrystal, the u.s. top commander in afghanistan who left back in 2010. well, just this morning on msnbc, he said the kinds of weapons his troops used should not, i repeat, should not be used on the streets of america. >> we got to look at the situation in america. the number of people in america killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations. and i don't think we're a blood thirsty culture. and so i think that we need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people. >> now, the growing momentum for gun control is coming out of the most recent massacr

there would be other people that died that day that would be alive today and one would have been christina taylor greene born on 9/11 and didn't live to see her 10th birthday. she was killed with a shot after the 10th round. >> when are asked for a reason why you would want an ar 15, he cited his daughter who was in the military and it's the nearest thing to a military rifle in civilian terms and she likes to use it on ranges and so on. what do you say to people in that position? >> certainly there a let of options. for people who like to target shoot or hunt, there other options other than assault weapons. piers, i went hunting over thanksgiving with a friend of mine on his rarnch in texas. the magazine held six rounds. i put two in. not even six. to have a high capacity magazine or assault rifle, these are made to kill a lot of people very quickly. they are made for the military. general mcchrystal said it best. he doesn't want his own kids around guns like this. he wants his soldiers to have weapons like this. >> the very specific campaign on this show is similar to what we are-ing from the pr

and one of them would have been christina taylor green, a 9-year-old girl who was born on 9/11 and didn't live to see her tenth birthday. she was killed with a shot after the tenth round. >> the nra president went on to say that when asked for any kind of reason why he wouldn't want to ban ar-15s, for example, he cited his daughter, who is in the military and is the nearest thing to a military rifle in civilian terms, the ar-15, and she likes to use it on ranges and so on. what do you think of people in that position? >> well, certainly, there are a lot of options. for people who like to target shoot or hunt, there are other options other than assault weapons. you know, piers, i went hunting over thanksgiving with a friend of mine on his ranch in texas. the magazine in this case held six rounds. i needed two. i put two rounds in the magazine, not even six. to have a high capacity magazine or an assault rifle, these things are really made to kill a lot of people very quickly. they're made for the military. i think general mcchrystal said it best, that he doesn't want his own kids around gu

the mother of 9-year-old christina taylor green who was killed in the tucson shooting two years ago. appears in an ad that appeared in seven cities today including washington, d.c. and tucson. this ad is paid for by the mayors against illegal guns action fund. but the thing i find striking about it is that it is not just an issue ad to try to get people riled up or even to get people thinking about this as an issue area, as a subject, this is a campaign ad. >> 20 heartbroken families lost a child in the sandy hook school shooting. i know how much it hurts. my 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the tucson shooting. i have one question for our political leaders. when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? whose child has to die next? to every mother, we cannot wait. we have to demand a plan. go to demandaplan.org and add your name. >> mayors against illegal guns action fund is responsible for the content in this advertising, which have to demand a plan, concrete action. that message today from the mother of the youngest victim of the tucson mass shooting, which was tw

by new york city's mayor michael bloomberg is also out with a new ad featuring the mother of christina taylor green. she is the youngest victim killed in the tucson shooting. >> my 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the tucson shooting. i have one question for our political leaders. when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? whose child has to die next? to every mother, we cannot wait. >> and the other side ramping up. we have learned that gun rights activists and other conservative groups have planned a gun appreciation day just two days before the nation launches president obama's formal inauguration. joining me now, former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, john rosenthal, chairman of stop handgun violence and msnbc contributor michael smer csmerkonish. is this how we see the conversation move forward, with groups backed by every day citizens on either side i guess putting if you will their stake in the ground and not letting us forget newtown and the promises made by the administration to put some kind of legislation forward? >> right. the great thing about gabby gifford

bulova #13 went into a nine-year old girl named christina taylor green. she deserved a full life committed to enhancing those ideas. if he had a 10-round magazine -- let me back up. when he tried to reload 133- round magazine with another, he dropped it. the woman named patricia grabbed it and it gave bystanders time to tackle him. i contend, if that same thing happened when he was trying to reload 1 10-round magazine with another, meaning he did not have access to a high-capacity magazine, and the same thing happened, christina taylor green would be alive today. i am certainly willing to give up my right to on a high- capacity magazine to bring that young woman back, that young girl. let me continue with what happened that day. in that 15 seconds -- actually, in the first shot, one man ran on a walgreen's, a man with a gun, with the intent to do the right thing, an armed citizen. he admits he came within about a half second of the shooting the man who tackled during loughner and nearly killing him. we almost had this horrific mass murder followed up by a

four parents who lost their children in mass shootings including roxanna green, the mother of christina taylorear-old who was killed in the tucson mass shooting. and you know, like you said, we wanted to send a very clear message here. and that message is the era of no accountability is over. if you are a politician who shills for the nra, who is putting our families basically in the line of fire, you're no longer going to be able to do that without paying a political price. >> is there room in terms of your view of that accountability for a politician like heidi heitkamp or anybody else to be a self-defined pro second amendment, pro gun rights legislator but also be amenable toward what you would consider to be common sense gun regulations? >> i would say absolutely. and you read a line from the ad itself which tells that polling shows that 75% of nra members support background checks on all gun sales. so you know, i think the data clearly shows that the nra leadership is broadly out of step with their own membership. and i think, yeah, a politician like senator heitkamp absolutely can suppor

. >> joining me is roxanna green, whose daughter, christina taylor green, was killed in that tucson massacre governor of pennsylvania and mayor of philadelphia, ed rendell. what's your mental and emotional reaction when you hear him spew that sort of armageddon view about guns? >> i'm speechless. i really don't even know what to say. i have no comment. unbelievable. >> governor, you have experienced -- pennsylvania is relatively free of insane people, but you hear of people -- this guy is talking about the united states being a tyranny coming to take his guns, and he's well armed and he's going to take it on. >> first, chris, i want to say to miss green the commercial you did is wonderful. and i think we'll talk about it, but it's absolutely crucial to keep the intensity level up for all those who believe we need to do something. so congratulations. chris, when i saw that clip, it made me happy, and i'll tell you why. because it painted out to average americans as clearly as anything we can say how crazy the other side is and how reasonable people, including nra members, including gun owners

bullet #13 went into a nine-year old girl named christina taylor green. she deserved a full life committed to enhancing those ideas. if he had a 10-round magazine -- let me back up. when he tried to reload one 33- round magazine with another, he dropped it. a woman named patricia grabbed it, and it gave bystanders time to tackle him. i contend, if that same thing happened when he was trying to reload one 10-round magazine with another, meaning he did not have access to a high-capacity magazine, and the same thing happened, christina taylor green would be alive today. i am certainly willing to give up my right on a high-capacity magazine to bring that young woman back, that young girl. let me continue with what happened that day. in that 15 seconds -- actually, in the first shot, one man ran out of walgreen's, a man with a gun, with the intent to do the right thing, an armed citizen. he admits he came within about a half second of shooting the man who tackled jared loughner, nearly killing him. we almost had this horrific mass murder followed up by an horr

christina taylor green would be alive today. i certainly am willing to give up my right to own a high-capacity magazine to bring that young woman back. >> reporter: so the question is, now what? one of the leading democrats on gun control, chuck schumer said he is in talks with high nra ratings and is in talks with somebody who is perhaps the best rating from the nra, tom coburn, a republican from oklahoma. schumer has delayed releasing his legislation on background checks in hopes to make tom coburn part of this legislation. >> but not necessarily on magazines or assault-type weapons? >> reporter: correct. just on background checks. still sources high up in the democratic party here in the senate say that they simply do not think that those high-capacity magazines or, more importantly, an assault-weapons ban, that that has any chance. they think the background checks has the most realistic of any passing. >> dana, thanks very much. a short time after the hearing ended, gabrielle giffords and her husband, retired astronaut, mark