with me, christine brennan. outside the stadium in chicago. jason carol. i'll begin with you, what is the mood down there, you had this big day where he's facing the suspension. there he is, marching out as a yankee. getting ahead very pleased for him. the guy is a cheat, isn't he? what is he doing there? >> you get a hit. you normally get cheered. that was not the case for alex rodrigez. you can hear boos echoing throughout the stadium. you're everything that's wrong with baseball. this while he was up at bat. rodrigez basically suspected to get some of that type of response, even before this game started, though. there were some fans that were out there greeting him, he was signing autographs, but there has been a very emotionally trying time for alex rodrigez, that's what he said before the game got underway, when he was dealing with the press. he did dodge questions when he was specifically asked more than once if he had used performance enhancing drugs, he wanted the legal process to play itself out. he wasn't going to talk about that now, he did talk

we're going to give you 211. >> christine brennan, the other 12 are taking their medicine for taking their medicine. what about alex rodriguez? what do you think of what william rhoden just said. >> bill is a good friend but i could not disagree more. this is a lifetime achievement award for a-rod. yes it is four times more. bill is right about that. but i think a-rod is worth four times more. let's look at the record here. he has admitted that he took steroids from 2001 to 2003. was never of course punished for that because baseball had not yet started its drug testing. there's number one. number two according to major league baseball and we know a-rod was trying to work a deal. m.l.b. has to have something right. i think they have probably everything right. just a second, bill. m.l.b., they were trying to have a, you know, this deal with a-rod. m.l.b. says he obstructed the investigation. that is a very big deal. and, of course, a-rod, if he was a biogenesis boy to the max and using this stuff for several years, my goodness, is baseball going to get serious or not? are they going t

george is back to talk about that and more, and we're joined by christine brennan from "usa today" andderson from "espn the magazine." christine, i want to start with you. do you think the olympic committee is really missing an opportunity here? >> i do, martha. i think the international olympic committee could basically say to the russian government, you must change this law, and here's why. it is a great gift, and it's a great bargaining chip to have the olympic games given to a country. russia, putin wanted these olympics more than anything. he himself lobbied for the olympic games several years ago, so just as the opportunity was missed in china with dissidents being thrown in jail because the olympics were held in china, the ioc missed an opportunity there to demand human rights change for generations. the same thing -- >> it's really quite extraordinary what's going on in russia. even if they say they won't arrest anybody, you have people attacking pro-gay rallies, all sorts of things going on. >> exactly, and the olympics -- at the end of the day, martha, the olympics is about i