again, that is not christine frederick. that looks like christine frederick. here is christine frederick. note the titles that she uses. household engineer and professional consultant. one question we might pose here -- i think you can see how someone like frederick is indebted to someone like taylor. but how much has the envisioning of the household changed. think about the beecher sisters. what has changed and what remains the same? nothing is totally a break with the past. >> begins with the idea of scientific management and brings it to household routines. make it as efficient as possible. everything is planned out. the very end i was there interested where she threw out -- women are leaving, becoming mothers -- women are leaving becoming mothers to go join the workforce. [indiscernible] it was kind of her taking new methods, but keeping the victorian idea of the household intact. >> very nice. the end result is the same. the rationale maybe has changed. >> someone focused on raising children and morals and family. and christine frederick is all like how t