joining me here for that: christine owens, executive director of the national employment law project, an advocacy group representing the interests of lower-wage workers; and william beach, director of the center for data analysis at the heritage foundation, a conservative public policy research group. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> brown: christine owens who is impacted by the actions or inactions of congress and how. >> by the end of this week 1.7 million long-term unemployed workers will be affected because their benefits will be cut off. they either will finish upstate benefits and not be able to move to the federal program or they'll end up one tier of the federal benefits and not be able to move to the next tier so 1.7 million workers by the end of this week. 2.5 million workers by the end of the first week that the congress is back. and over 3 million by the end of the month. >> and you work with a lot of people in this situation. what difference do the benefits make. what role does it play for them? >> they play a huge role. we know that without unemployment benefits