. >> with me now, former governor christine todd whitman, administrator of the epa under george w. bush. as someone who had this job, does this arrangement that he was renting from the wife of energy lobbyist scan to you, is that okay? is that kosher? >> no, of course not. we did everything to make sure there was a good distance between me and anyone who had business before the agency. we were very careful. if there was certainly lobbyists, we'd never have that kind of a personal -- not relationship because maybe you know them outside of their lobbying times, but this kind of thing where you're renting an apartment and clearly getting it for less than market value. you just wouldn't put yourself in that position. i never was allowed -- i talked to my chief counsels and my counsels, the chief came from new jersey with me, and we said, look, if someone has an issue before the agency, you don't meet with them. you have to be very careful about that. you can meet with business of course when they have generalized things but if they have a specific issue before the agency, the administr