paul christo from john hopkins. opioid crisis for year. were you surprised by the numbers last year? >> sad to say i'm not surprised. i've been talking to families and professionals the last year, steph. during covid they've been saying to me, things are getting worse, things are getting worse. for a number of different reasons. people were isolated, obviously, like all of us. if you're someone struggling with substance abuse, isolated and separated from your support system, you can't go to those 12-step meetings you've beenso briety, et cetera. the supply of drugs is up. and then you've got people really struggling during the pandemic. and that equals a perfect storm. >> doctor, overdose deaths were on the rise before the pandemic. what else is driving these numbers so high? >> well, certainly it's the pandemic. but i think it's two-fold with respect to the pandemic. one, it's the emotional element of seeing friends and family members in the icu hospitalized and even die. two, tea the economic hardships related to