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but when the bombshell hit and christopher freeland step down in uh, in december about 3 weeks ago, all the wheels seemed to came off the liberal bus. and at that moment, i think the guy was cast. and it will, he, he, it just became untenable for him to stay on as leader the calls became louder from within his own party. and so he gave us the holidays to think about it. but to day came out and, and announced what many people were expecting that he had to resign because after christopher freeland laughed, it just seems like he just could not hang on any longer. so let's say the wheels have rolled off the bus and rolled into the bushes the decision is made. now it's made. is that decision being sold as the the novel thing to do? i, what joe barton wouldn't do soon enough for the democrats in the us. i ordered some say this was him leaving his party in the time of need. oh no, i think i'm not leaving in the time of the definitely time to go. don't let the door hit you on your way out, buddy. but what they are saying, what they're critical of is that he's left. it's so late because of all t

>> christopher j dodd. denise rowen, excepting on behalf of diane carlson evans. gracie galloway. cynthia baker, excepting on behalf of nancy lindenbaum. ted kaufman. gracie mccarthy excepting on behalf of -- mccarthy. excepting on behalf of of lewis ready. collin sykes junior excepting on behalf of collins sykes. eleanor smeal. bennie g thompson. wayne sis any. thomas j -- francis visco. paula wallace. and evan wilson. ♪ distinguished guests, the president of the united states. ♪ [applause] pres. biden: hello, hello. please have a seat. happy new year. welcome to your house, the white house, the people's house. as i've said before, the most important title in america is not president but citizen. it is we the people, these are the words on which the entire nation has been built, not hyperbole. we gather here in the east room next to the portrait of teddy roosevelt. reformer, soldier, governor, president. he promoted the cause of active citizenship. despite his rugged individualism, he believed in forging common ground. he once said, grave perils are yet to be encountered in the s

christopher as insurance, money floods in the rebuilding thoughts. this is where the building contract to start to like a ton of money, isn't it? absolutely, but we've got to be careful about that surgeon economic output. you know, there's a concept in economics known as the broken window fallacy, which is, you know, how do you make the economy grow faster or you run down the street and break everybody's windows. the problem with that kind of thinking is it doesn't acknowledge the loss that is currently happening with all these, these homes that have so tragically burned down. obviously, that's a, an infinite amount of value to those families. they've lost those memories that can never be fully replaced. but yes, in the short run, this going to be a nice market for contractors and home builders. and the hoss truth is about fine as all parts of the california landscape. so i guess people buy into that, but there's been a huge political for lots of it is christopher with, with criticism. but as you mentioned, the local government perhaps just wasn't pr

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christopher in new jersey. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call and thank you, c-span, bringing us historical significance of events like this. jimmy carter was a man who showed all young people how to indeed do public service. to do good for all humanity and to change the world for the better. i know because as an advocate for people with special needs and as someone who is fighting to make a difference, i can understand jimmy carter and i have that in common. i do believe that if we can learn a great deal from jimmy carter's life is to be able to go above and beyond the malaise of what is happening in the world today, and we can rise above all the darkness and divisiveness and everything else to be a world of humanity and a world of good. so that young people can show the world what good can do by serving in public places and doing public service to go places like soup kitchens, or help build homes, and stuff. i encourage every young person to follow the example of the great jimmy carter. to not only help ove

there's also the, the finance minister who replaced christoph freeland. that's dominic leblanc and more carney of the central bank are famous for helping both the bank of canada and bank of england. but in terms of who will be dealing with trump, at least in the 1st few weeks of the trump administration, that will continue to be throw himself at least until parliament resumes on march 24th. okay, so it's about to janelle, i dw cusp on the janell team alone in washington dc. take a look at some of the stories making headlines around the world was talking south korea where unto corruption, investigate just a 2nd to extend an arrest, one for impeached presence or you. and so if you all still have expired. on monday, the investigator has failed to take him into custody from the we have stand off with the president security service a whole month french president nicholas suck. jose has gone on trial in paris of alleged abrupt deal with the full but libyan leader, mobile good. that fee charges include passive corruption, illegal campaign financing, concealment

christopher, thank you for joining us tonight on bbc news.n says he is surging all federal resources possible to southern california, including 400 additional federal firefighters and over 30 firefighting helicopters. he and vice president kamala harris have been speaking in the past couple hours. here's some of what they had to say. what we're seeing is a situation that is extremely dynamic. it's very much in play. and to some degree unpredictable. because we're literally waiting to see which way the wind blows. to the families who have been impacted by this disaster, you're living through a nightmare. i know. and i promise you, we're going to help you get through this and eventually recover and rebuild. joining me live is congressman brad sherman representing the area in california that is currently burning. thank you so much forjoining us. i understand you're out in your district. tell us what you have been witnessing. it is devastating _ have been witnessing. it is devastating here _ have been witnessing. it is devastating here at - have

as christopher wray told all of us, our threat level is at unprecedented levels.tart to listen. >> kayleigh: without a doubt. and just reminding our viewers, you're looking at a live image here from houston, texas. they believe this was the terrorist suspect's residence. they're approaching this very carefully because as you look at this image, you think there could be ieds blocking the doorway here. they have to be safe and meticulous. but upon entering, i imagine they're looking for something like a manifesto, any communications, a device that might have any coordination with the others that we believed are involved. your thoughts as we look at that live image right now. >> absolutely. i saw this a little bit ago, and from my understanding -- i don't know if they've made entry or not. i've been on these type of calls. obviously not something of this magnitude involving a terrorist attack, but when they're dealing with a possible ied that they know was in the suspect's vehicles, their bomb squad is going to be involved in this. this is a massive thing. they're go

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and back with us are robb d'amico, and christopher o'leary., we heard from the fbi that they're conducting searches in multiple states, and they have recovered several cell phones and laptops. give us a sense of what could happen with the evidence. >> the biggest are the cell phones. the biggest way these people communicate is encrypted apps. you know, telegram and signal, we talked about, those are the big ones, and if you're not on a device that has that, you can't crack the ryption. you actually have to have the device. it's important they break the pin, get into the devices and look and see who he was talking to on those applications because there's going to be history on the laptop with the browser history and search histories and such, but the phone is really the key nowadays, and the encrypted apps are a behind spot for the government, and they're really hard, unless you have sources that are communicating with the subjects that you can see them, it's really tough to look into. i think those are the biggest keys to look at how he was co

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if you know who that is with christophe was, the first king of haiti.so again, they're these people, ordinary people, really but who have these kind of extraordinary lives in the middle of revolution. and so i sort of try to follow them, sort of follow them, like tunneling through the revolutions. well, as you just said, like they are in some ways quite ordinary. and some ways they're quite extraordinary because we still know their name or can find their name. or you can find their name. and and so that is that is amazing, especially because several of them are women. and one of the subjects we regularly talk about is certain women don't leave the same sort of written record. they're often not captured in the early history books because they weren't the generals or the kings. so why was it important to you to pick an ordinary women? right. so it turns and i'm just finding this out, that half of the human population is now i mean, it's like this a little ridiculous if you're trying to talk about the age of revolutions in some general sense and if can't a

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christopher o'leary, former director of hostage recovery for the u.s. government, now senior vice president for global operations at the soufan group. so much to get to. and as we just heard from the president, some of the specifics of the deal still have to be revealed, still have to be worked out, certainly after this first phase. but tell us what happens now starting on sunday. >> yeah, chris. well, i think that is the big headline out of these two consecutive press conferences, first by the prime minister of qatar and then the president of the united states. we do now know that this deal will go into effect on sunday. the prime minister said the exact timing of it is to be determined. of course, that raises the awful prospect that there could be more bloodshed in the intervening days before this cease fire goes into effect. the prime minister appealed to both sides for calm even before the formal end to the fighting begins on sunday. i thought the other big headline from president biden, he said, americans will be part of the release. during phase o

anita: let's brig in political advisor iraq war veteran christopher, christopher good to have you hereterday was filled with a lot of drama. mike johnson did win the speakership eventually on the first ballot. but only after two lawmakers switched their vote as we heard in that last report. we're talking about ralph norman and keith we heard a little bit from keith but let's hear more about where he was hesitant to vote for johnson in the first place. >> the last two years have been a disaster. we passed bills with democrat votes, lots of democrat votes just since trump won the election, congress has passed 300 plus billion dollars in new borrowed money spending. and so that's why this happened. because we need to make sure that the republicans do better under trump. >> okay. so you heard it right there. fiscal conservatives in the house are upset over spending bills that johnson signed off on what kind of battles does he face in the future? >> well, i think whether it's politics or business organizing new house it is like the art of war and president trump did this with speaker johnso

christopher marinac from jenny montgomery.oint cuts this year. a blowout jobs report puts rate cuts that's firmly on hold. sam stovall of cfra seeing trouble ahead. investors now worry that the number of rate cuts this year may be reduced to only one if not none. in response, the united states equity markets have resumed their downtrends and are likely to face additional challenges. sam, welcome to the show. where do those challenges come from? sam: good morning. i was eavesdropping with your conversation with lisa a second ago, trying to figure out what is causing yields to move higher. reminded me of the chicago song, " does anyone really know what time it is?" the question is how far does the 10-year rise, 5%, or the long-term average of 5.75. in the near term, while we wait, ppi tomorrow, cpi on wednesday, pce at the end of the month, all three are expected to show flat to higher readings. i think that could add to it all. jonathan: we caught up with chris army a moment ago, that to get lower yields, you need higher yields

but when christopher freeland out was fired, slash resigned in december, all bets were off intruder. oh really the the cries for him to resign from with in really started to get so loud that he could no longer ignore them. and so he took the holidays to think about it, to take a walk in the snow. and today he announced the results that really, it was untenable. there was no way he could stick it out any longer. but by, by waiting this long, he's really putting the handcuffs on any potential new leader. because there must now be a leadership race. there has to be an election this this this year, so it could likely be very soon after any liberal at any lube leader is chosen. so that leader will have to hit the ground running and will also be solved with these low numbers. not only for 3 robots is liberal party. so was that also a feeling within his positive, adjusting to, to was the person to defend kind of his interest against the incoming us president donald trump? yeah, i think that was less of a concern because you'll remember he was the prime minister when trump was elected in 201

well, christopher freeland, we've talked about her now. his former deputy prime minister and, and finance minister. she's sort of leading the pack and then there are a number of current cabinet ministers who are, who are thinking of, of running and have already been making calls. then there is mark karney. this name may be familiar to your audience. he was a former governor of the bank of, of, of england before the governor of the bank of canada. there you see him on your screen. he is, he is a moderate, he is well connected internationally and he's also well respected what he's also perhaps most importantly an outside or to the true go liberal baggage. so uh, so by all accounts, he's probably the front runner at this point. so whoever wins will have to deal with, or us present, threatening to impose 25 percent tires on canadian goods. unless off to a stands. what donald trump says, there's a flow of migrants and drugs into the us. it's not likely to be a cum painting issue. for the post of the liberal party leader and indeed a prime minis

i was reminded when christopher wray heading up the fbi said that the terror level in this country has level. we read about those here who will inspire acts like -- by the way some of the one that just happened in new orleans. they said that terror level threat is higher than before october 7th. one might wonder why there hasn't been a change in policy that has led to that. >> there has been a change in policy. quite frankly the number of individuals encountered at our southern border on a daily basis now is lower than it was in 2019. the last year before the pandemic. number one. number two, director christopher wray was speaking of the fact that we have a diverse set of challenges that our country is facing. i'm spoken publicly about this as well. we have the persistent threat of foreign terrorism that really gave rise to the department of homeland security in the first instance after the tragic events of 9/11. we have the individuals already resident in the united states radicalized to violence by a foreign terrorist ideology or over the last eight years, what we have seen, antigove

government, christopher old erie. it is good to see you both.l law enforcement, what federal law enforcement, are likely doing. what are they investigating? >> thank you for having me. nice to be with my good friend, chris o'leary. based on what is happening in the course of the ongoing investigation, they are trying to drill deeper into some of the perspectives that we have heard already from the fbi briefing in the afternoon. how did jabbar get radicalized? this process of someone who was looked at it extensively in my career and on the academic side. it never happens quickly. it is usually pretty gradual, months, if not years and i suspect we will learn that is what occurred with jabbar and once we shift out of the phase of trying to understand how he became radicalized and why, then all the steps he took to put the attack plan in place, which was apparently more than just the vehicle because the moment he got out of the car, after he had killed 14 people and injured dozens, he was ready to keep fighting. he was armed with weapons and he had

i think christopher wray is well informed and well aware of this the problem. a gao report in 2023 that said that the if fbi had doubled the number of domestic terror investigations since 2020. so they are doing those investigations. if i think so to dan's point, the public's impression is that they're going after people that perhaps are not really the problem. paul: right. >> and, of course, there's the famous 2023 memo from the fbi that said catholics attending the latin mass were a suspicious group. there was also in the fort hood attack the department of defense called it a workplace violence event. and, of course, mayorkas, the secretary of homeland security, has said that the big problem in the u.s. is white white supremacy. so that all feeds into this feeling for the public that they're not really paying attention to this other problem which is causing a lot of violence, the isis threat. paul: kim, that's particularly true for a lot of republicans who say the fbi's focused just too much -- and this goes back to, of course, 2016 -- on donald trump. [laugh

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christopher wray, which is that the terrorism warning lights are blinking. tell us, give us a little bit more of a sense of what it is that you and your coauthor, mike morrell, saw that made you worry. >> well, we found ourselves just in our private conversations, confessing to each other that we were hearing echoes of the sort that we had heard before 9/11, the terrible attack on the world trade center and the pentagon that killed 3000 people. so what kind of what kind of of echoes or warning lights? first, the mideast on fire. you can't have a region as disturbed as it is without a lot of chaos. chaos is where islamic groups regroup. and when we're seeing a regrouping of them in afghanistan with isil in syria, in iraq, in the wars in the region. secondly, every day, as avril haines, the director of national intelligence, has said every day that the war in gaza goes on, you're seeing a sea change in the islamic and palestinian world as they think about, you know, their future, their lives. third, here in the u.s., there's been this almost normalization of v

christopher wray, you are correct, the threat level is all-time high. it is. we have had an open border for four years. we're sitting ducks. there are many terrorists in our country and now have thank goodness president trump is coming in january 20th and our country will be made great again. >> julie: we'll talk about the confirmation hearings especially kash patel leading the f.b.i. at a very significant time now. lawmakers on capitol hill are demanding answers on both of these deadly attacks in new orleans and in las vegas. >> americans should be concerned. they reelected donald trump to get in there and do this thing right because there are people that hate us. america once again will have a standing in the world where we're respected, that we weren't respected under joe biden. a mystery! jessie loves playing detective. but the real mystery was her irritated skin. so, we switched to tide free & gentle. it cleans better, and doesn't leave behind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free and gentle liquid is epa safer choice certified. it's

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i question where director christopher wray is or where the deputy director, paula bait is, or at leasthe assistant director is. if, in fact the fbi is the lead law enforcement agency working this case, they need to have the top echelon front and center. you don't pass off a national security investigation with the gravity that is played out at 315 this morning to a special agent in charge of a local field office. and i think that fueled, quite frankly, senator kennedy's frustration. but i also, to some extent, will pull the curtain down on the fbi for a very long time, has been trying to play catch up. given the open border policies. wray has appeared many times before congress. he has sounded the alarm. he has told us it is not if it's just a matter of when. and the i think the fbi may have lost track of certain individuals or cells, and this may be, unfortunately, one of them. >> i want to play some remarks from president biden. this was 2023, and this is the kind of extremism that president biden said we should be focused on. listen to this harsh reality that racism has long torn us

yeah, thank you, christopher. and thanks for coming out. yeah, i think the open streets just just the open dining during early months of, the reopening from the pandemic, i give the de blasio administration lot of credit. they rolled out these two things quickly and at a time people couldn't or felt uncomfortable going to see a friend or relative at their home. they weren't allowed to dine indoors for quite some months. i mean, even going into 2021, opening this street space both for restaurant use and like 70/4 in in around jackson heights, columbus, in, in on upper west side, many these open streets, a place where you could see your friends and relatives for the first time. let your kids ride around on a bike and not have to worry about that. so i doing those things quickly was a good for new york's recovery. it would not have been possible. the city hadn't already proven, yes, we can. we can have a block closed off for pedestrians as we can. we can reopen. a space and the world not going to fall apart. so i think that worked out well. th

he talked about that when they withdrew from afghanistan and christopher reyes talked about that.ollapse of the regime in syria, but we know that there is a resurgent isis group in syria and we also know what happens when a vacuum is left. do you think this perhaps changes the way donald trump will view foreign policy? idat will view foreign policy? not likel . will view foreign policy? not likely- and _ will view foreign policy? not likely. and partly _ will view foreign policy? iirrt likely. and partly because it is not likely we are going to see a direct connection either to afghanistan or syria. i don't know, but it's not the most likely scenario. these things will be shaped as politicians will shape them. i think it is the case that fighting counterterrorism over the horizon is much more difficult when you're not there, but these two incidents will not necessarily have bearing on that because they will most likely be cases of home—grown violent extremism. my home—grown violent extremism. my biggest concern about syria, frankly, is that we have isis fighters who have been in d

general christopher mussa, chief of defense stuff, and hedge of that i do in on forces talk. so how just the general kristof and they so welcome to talk to our local i also to talk about german military has been collectively fighting both bulk of around the west african branch of iso for collectively. now, 15 years in which time, something like 50000000 people have been affected by the insurgency. and by the counter insurgency, the government has claim several times that the group has been quote, technically defeated, yet they continue to operate, yet they continue to regroup. do you see this as a family of the politicians or failure of the military of which you all the head? no, not at all. i think it just shows how complicated a symmetric welfare is. it's mostly a one of seen unlike conventional welfare. so how do you measure of success? you made your success when you start getting life back? well, i do, please return them. but comes, schools are opening my kids or what can people kind of walk? i think that's success for us. so it's work in progress. we're not where we are,