i wonder if that surprised our next guest, christopher ailman. he's a big friend of the show.ristopher is top-notch. he is the chief investment officer at calstrs. he manages a team of a couple hundred people, more than $300 billion of assets. chris, give us your take as to what this year was like for you. >> it was a crazy year, obviously because of fighting covid, what the stellar returns, 25% returns in the broad market, driven by the fed. it might surprise me the s&p might have outperformed, no, if you look at small-cap value of all things growth, value across the board, small-cap value did ok and that is not in the nasdaq. i think that is why part of the performed ok. what i'm surprised about is how the u.s.a.'s stood out from the west of the world. you have the markets really being only up about 10%. japan was actually negative on the year. emerging markets were negative on the year. for a diversified investor it's going to be a trophy or to make a return. tim: the question is -- where do you go for yield and 2022? >> it's going to be a challenging year. i think that if