my next guest, christopher dickey is the editor for the daily beast. and chris voss is the with fbi. chris, is there blood on the hands of those paying ransoms in similar circumstances? >> thank you for having me on. first of all, i would like to say what happened with james foley was cowardly. james foley was an honorable man. what our western allies have done is helped create the problem. this idea of ransom that they open the bank vaults to people and give them all the money they have has made it worse. it fed the problem. >> is this more about inspiring terror or a funding stream? the new york times reports $125 million in the last five or so years alone is put forth to isis because of the campaigns. >> terrorist organizations that get into kidnapping very soon come to learn that kidnapping can be a lucrative thing to do when entities and governments respond by dumping out truck loads of money on top of them. it starts out with terror, but it becomes a lucrative things to do. >> christopher dickey, i watched the video. i wish i could unwatch it. yo

christopher dickey is foreign editor for ""the daily beast."" chris voss is a lead kidnapping negotiator. chris, let me begin with you. is there blood on the hands of those of our allies who have, in contrast to the united states, been paying ransoms in similar circumstances? >> thank you for having me on. what happened with james foley was a cowardly thing to do. james foley was an honorable man. what our allies have done has added to the problem. it's helped create the problem. this idea of a ransom that they simply open their bank vaults to these people and give them all the money they have has made it worse. it's fed the problem. >> is this more about inspiring terror or creating a thunding stream? "the new york times" reported that $125 million in the last five or so years alone has been put forth to isis because of these campaigns. >> they've learned that kidnapping can be a very lucrative thing to do when different entities and governments respond by dumping out truckloads of money on top of them. it starts out intended to inspire terror

. >> if -- christopher dickey, foreign editor at "the daily beast" joins me now. r, if the united states attacks isis and we attack them in syria, does that then not align us with the syrian government? i mean, do we become allies with the syrian government and, or is it a bit more complicated than that? >> oh, it's all a lot more complicated than that. basically, what's going to have to happen is that the united states, which has played a kind of a dirty game with the free syrian army, giving it little bit of arms, little bit of training here and there, is now going to have to ramp up its relationship with this guerilla group that's opposed assad and give it the wherewithal to start fighting against isis, and i think that's the plan. the other thing is the united states with drones and air power can do a lot of damage to isis. isis does no anti-aircraft capability. it has been on a role because nobody has used air power against it. but once air power really comes into play, i think that a lot of its assets can be damaged or taken away from it, including some of th

. >> that's nick schiffrin reporting, and christopher dickey is here, a reporter for the daily beast in washington, and welcome. >> always a pleasure. >> let's talk about the tubeses. the talks have been challenging so far, and how do both sides gent beyond a three-day truce? >> well, i think it's going to be very tough. what you were going to see is the succession of brief truces, and then a new interruption of hamas and bombing by israelis, and it's going to go on and on. the status quo will be one of kind of low level violence, rather than anything resell ling real peace, and what that's going to mean, the kind of reconstruction that nick was talking about now is going to be slow in coming if it comes at all. and the whole 3-kilometer strip around the israeli border with gaza that was completely leveled in the fighting is going to stay leveled for a long time. it's really going to be hell to live in gaza for anytime in the near future. >> they say that if people had chosen hamas, they wouldn't be in this situation. is there any sign that the palestinians are beginning to loss fait

i want to bring in christopher dickey now. foreigneder to of the "daily beast." as well as phillip mud oo, used to be with the cia. this is an incredible piece of detective work going on here. one pinpointing possibly the location where this took place. which frankly makes since sense. near an isis strong hold. how valuable is that investigation? i wonder wonder if there is a danger here. if you reveal you know the location, possibly, and you know the killer, doesn't that encourage them to go into hiding so you can't get them? >> yes. it changes the equation as far as they're concerned. if you know exactly who they are and where they are and they know you know, they are going to move. but the question here is what is called actionable intelligence. if the cia or any other organization were able to put things together the way that belling cat this website put it together, which i hope they can do, the whole question would be, can they do it in time to catch the people in this location. >> before they move. >> before they move. i'm sure those people moved long ago.

christopher dickey, bob baer, please stay with us. we will bring you back after this break. and the jumpoff point for that conversation, authorities here are trying to eliminate that threat before it becomes a rate but one former high-ranking intel official says, as i mentioned to christopher dick kirk only a matter of time until isis find a way to hit the u.s. here at home. we will break down that possibility. >>> later, when you hear the word napa, you probably think wine. how today's earthquake may affect you the next time you look for your favorite bottle. that's ahead just after this brake, this hour. geico's been helping people save money for over 75 years. they've really stood the test of time. much like these majestic rocky mountains. which must be named after the... that would be rocky the flying squirrel, mr. gecko sir. obviously! ahh come on bullwinkle, they're named after... ...first president george rockington! that doesn't even make any sense...mr...uhh...winkle. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. >>> u.s. officials

christopher dickey is an editor of the daily beast. >>> saud government' governmentn sponsoring an ultimate conservative version of islam. , council of foreign relations last week he published an opinion piece in the new york times entitled saudis must stop exporting extremism. thank you for joining us. saudi arabia donate$100 million to the united nations two weeks ago to fund a counterterrorism agency. that money could be better used funding a counterterrorism in saudi arabia in itself. >> thank you for having me. firstly, saudi arabia giving $100 million to the u.n. doesn't account for the $10 billion estimated by the u.s. state department that the saudi governors, supporting wahadism. saudi arabia especially the saudi government's more extreme form in-house, the more extreme clerics inside the country those haven't been reined in, they roam freely in muslim holy places, they have control of the muslim holy place et cetera and the public places and a global presence through many of the embassies. saudi arabia's record on this is mixed very mildly and i think the king and his advisors can

straight out of that piece, let me bring in christopher dickey, foreign editor for the daily beast based to see you today in person. we were just talking as you were watching the piece, these young men saying they're converting to islam, they want to wage this war. and you were almost rolling your eyes. >> i was rolling my eyes. look, all this stuff about theca ran and it's lamb from those kinds of guys, it's crap. what they're talking about is i want to be famous. almost all terrorists, in fact, share certain things in common. and it doesn't -- islam is not one of the things they share. it was true of some in the irish republican army. it's been true with central america. it's been true in lots of places. >> what do they share? >> tnt, basically. testosterone. they're almost all young guys. some of these guys may be a little bit older. narrative. that's very important. they may not be oppressed. they may not have grown up oppressed. but they passionately identify themselves with some oppressed people. maybe their own, maybe somebody else's. and finally, theater. they want to project the

jim sciutto joins me along with christopher dickey of "the daily beast." >> it was an interesting messageional community to fight isis but said, hey, listen, don't come into syria without our permission. the administration considering air strike there is but it is a remarkable offer when you think about this administration's relationship with -- the obama -- his senior aides have said for years they want this regime to be done with. so this possibility here of working together, administration officials say they're not going to do it but just that possibility. >> christopher, do you see any chance that the u.s. would work with the sir jean regime? >> no, i don't i think they're saying we have to give you permission before you come bomb this territory that we completely lost control of. you know, we've just announced that roccah is gone and the whole province is under the control of isis that we're calling it and so now the u.s. has to get permission to do something. >> it also plays into the narrative which, frankly, syria has been using from the beginning of the revolution in syria. i mea