joining us now, christopher dicky. thanks for being here with us.ge and pictures right there. what does that sort of sendoff say about crozier's leadership and his calculation to write that particular letter? >> i think it shows that his crew, the men and women in that crew, think that he was a great captain. and i think that they recognize absolutely that he was willing to sacrifice his career to keep them alive. i think that's what it says. >> nbc's pentagon reporting senior leadership advised against ousting crozier, but the acting navy secretary insisted on it. what do you think was behind the decision to let him go? >> look, even in captain crozier's letter, he said this will require a political solution. he understood perfectly well what he was doing with that letter, sending it not in classified channels, probably suspected it would be leaked, probably consulting with some of his higher ups in the military, in the pentagon, to let them know what was going on. but everybody understands that in this administration, you have to suck up to the pr

joining us right now from paris is christopher dicky who's a world news editor with the daily beast andmsnbc contributor. good morning, christopher. so how do you europeans feel about these very different approaches right there? >> i think when they look at sweden they're still curious about how exactly that's supposed to work over the long run. president trump suggested that the swedes are trying to carry out some kind of herd immunity program more or less like the one that was touted by boris johnson some time ago before all of a sudden britain realized they were going to lose hundreds of thousands of people and totally overwhelm their health care system doing that. the swedes themselves say that's not what they're doing. they say that they just are asking people to act more responsibly and trying not to dictate this from the top down. they say it's definitely not a herd immunity strategy and that basically they're treating people like adults in sweden and they expect people to act like adults. >> and is it working? >> all that said remember that the population of sweden is a little o