the so-called new atheists, like sam harris, richard dawkins, christopher hitchens, and if you want toaugh, bill maher. a much wider voice than their ancestors, o'hare and ingersol. in a country with more than 50 million religiously unaffiliated people, only a relative handful of the 535 members of congress, and no president or presidential candidate would say straightforwardly, i doubt there's a god who created the world and interferevenes in houma fairs. joining me now, the executive religion editor at the huffington post, and the west end pastor of the collegiate church in new york, and a professor of philosophically at boyd state university. professor, is the way that we talk about the unaffiliated so-called nones, even caught one how unexceptional they are? >> they're very ordinary folks. we have them as friends, neighbors and colleagues, perhaps not yet as representatives in congress as you mentioned earlier, but they're there, and they're measured by the expert polling that pugh undertakes, and they're growing, and it looks like these trends, which have been going on for about 2